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HolyDrumstick wrote:

You know, you're probably right about that. But, I also think that again goes back to how manipulated our media is, and how manipulated we are by the media. We're only seeing what they want us to know, for the most part. And, you can say that's a conspiracy theory, but it isn't. Hell, the existence of WikiLeaks is evidence enough that we're not being told everything and they don't want us to know everything.

Now, I am a firm believer that we shouldn't know everything. Some things must be kept secret for security. However, I also feel like we aren't even receiving enough information from mainstream media to really make informed decisions.

I'd like to see a push for transparency with the government. But, as someone who's attended a ton of Commissioners Court and City Council meetings, transparency usually just results in a magic trick where they shuffle line items so you have no clue where your money is actually going or why.

Example: Timber Funds. The county would not add them into budget calculations because they were not guaranteed. yet, year after year, they would receive them. Those timber funds would then be handed to the commissioners, on top of their budgets, and they could just spend them however they wanted. Problem is, this is way after the budget is approved, so no one even knows they're getting those funds, and everyone's looking elsewhere.



Fair points. I'd also like more transparency from the government. However, in the short term, that doesn't mean we should just throw ourselves into the arms of anyone who offers an alternative perspective. While skepticism over the media is important, it is just as important to be skeptical of differing opinions. Seems people say "Oh, he says the media is bad. Lets believe everything he has to say without question," far too often lately. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend if they are just trying to sell you a different shade of wool to pull over your eyes.
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Fair points. I'd also like more transparency from the government. However, in the short term, that doesn't mean we should just throw ourselves into the arms of anyone who offers an alternative perspective. While skepticism over the media is important, it is just as important to be skeptical of differing opinions. Seems people say "Oh, he says the media is bad. Lets believe everything he has to say without question," far too often lately. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend if they are just trying to sell you a different shade of wool to pull over your eyes.


I agree with you to a degree.

However, I feel like we're at a point in history where we are so controlled that the only way we're going to get anything accomplished is:

A.) Vote in as many people as we can that the people in power don't want in. Basically, vote for the people as far out from everyone else as possible. EVERY political office and position of power we vote someone in, we need to ask ourselves -- who do they NOT want me to vote for? Then, vote for that person. We'll probably fuck up our country a little, for a little while, but we have to disturb the balance of power and control.

B.) Outright rebellion. Thing is, a rebellion happens when people have failed to affect change in their situation, and come to rebellion as a last option. I dearly hope we never get to that. It WILL fuck up our country for a long time.

So, I feel like we Americans, the lower class and the middle class, are very unhappy with our government. We really want to see change. We're tired of what has been going on. Unfortunately, we're also conditioned to be afraid of change. So, we keep voting for the same, controlling, crooked assholes. And we know they're dicks, and we know they are screwing us hard, but we're afraid that if we vote for something new, something that can be viewed as extreme, we may get screwed by an even bigger dick.

No matter what happens, it will resolve itself. Mankind is not meant to be controlled, and if we were no one would go through so much effort to convince us of our freedom.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

Fair points. I'd also like more transparency from the government. However, in the short term, that doesn't mean we should just throw ourselves into the arms of anyone who offers an alternative perspective. While skepticism over the media is important, it is just as important to be skeptical of differing opinions. Seems people say "Oh, he says the media is bad. Lets believe everything he has to say without question," far too often lately. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend if they are just trying to sell you a different shade of wool to pull over your eyes.


I agree with you to a degree.

However, I feel like we're at a point in history where we are so controlled that the only way we're going to get anything accomplished is:

A.) Vote in as many people as we can that the people in power don't want in. Basically, vote for the people as far out from everyone else as possible. EVERY political office and position of power we vote someone in, we need to ask ourselves -- who do they NOT want me to vote for? Then, vote for that person. We'll probably fuck up our country a little, for a little while, but we have to disturb the balance of power and control.

B.) Outright rebellion. Thing is, a rebellion happens when people have failed to affect change in their situation, and come to rebellion as a last option. I dearly hope we never get to that. It WILL fuck up our country for a long time.

So, I feel like we Americans, the lower class and the middle class, are very unhappy with our government. We really want to see change. We're tired of what has been going on. Unfortunately, we're also conditioned to be afraid of change. So, we keep voting for the same, controlling, crooked assholes. And we know they're dicks, and we know they are screwing us hard, but we're afraid that if we vote for something new, something that can be viewed as extreme, we may get screwed by an even bigger dick.

No matter what happens, it will resolve itself. Mankind is not meant to be controlled, and if we were no one would go through so much effort to convince us of our freedom.


^^
Problem, its almost impossible to get an outsider into political office in the US due to the campaign finance system. It takes years of sucking up and taking bribes to become a party nominee for office. It is very rare that a principaled person who is not a corporate stoodge represents a constituency, especially at the national level.

Rebellion? With a population that is out of shape and spends its day watching reality television shows that are so dumb only the borderline braindead could appreciate them? (i.e. basically anything on MTV.) Not in this lifetime.
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Either way, no matter what happens, America is absolutely and utterly FUCKED.
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Problem, its almost impossible to get an outsider into political office in the US due to the campaign finance system. It takes years of sucking up and taking bribes to become a party nominee for office. It is very rare that a principaled person who is not a corporate stoodge represents a constituency, especially at the national level.

Rebellion? With a population that is out of shape and spends its day watching reality television shows that are so dumb only the borderline braindead could appreciate them? Not in this lifetime.


Right you are about political office. The only way, hypothetically, would be an outright refusal to vote for anyone in the Republic or Democratic party. And the problem with that is the moment such a movement existed, Republicans and Democrats would create dummy parties to support their candidates anyway.

As far as rebellion goes, I absolutely hate the idea, and I think it is the worst possible solution.

However, you're drastically underestimating the potential of the American people. Why?

First, let's look at insurgency and its effectiveness. We can't even nail down insurgents in the middle east, and we've got a lot more resources, about 100 million more people, and a little more land mass.

Now, you must understand that military personnel are some of the most patriotic people in the world. If ever a rebellion did occur, we'd gain some of that military AND their equipment (radios being probably one of the most important things).

In addition, our military is so large that we have a vast number of veterans. Not only are many of these veterans experienced in combat, but even the ones that aren't know our military's strategies and tactics. Basically, we would make better insurgents than the insurgents in the middle east.

In addition, if such a rebellion broke out, many people would no longer be providing taxes to our government. Our government is in debt. There are no reserves to use. With very little tax revenue, our government would be forced to scramble to have money to fight the rebellion. Now, here's the kicker, they'd start MORE borrowing. That massive borrowing, and the Federal Reserve (actually a private bank and lender to the US) and other lenders complete willingness to provide those funds would lead to doubt about who's actually running the show.
And that leads to more rebels.

And the thing about a rebellion is that if it is too large to stomp out immediately, it spreads like wildfire. You have friends and relatives in the rebellion, they get cut down, shot up, tortured, maimed, and their bodies are treated like garbage.... and suddenly that spark of frustration and anger you have towards the government turns into an inferno, and you become a rebel yourself.

And the final piece of that puzzle would be investments from other nations. Just as nations (or people with special interests from those nations) secretly funded and supported the Confederacy in the Civil War (and you will find few history books that actually acknowledge that). Just as the US has secretly funded the infant rebel militant groups that later turned into terrorist organizations....
Our rebels would also receive such support. And that goes a long way.

Why a rebellion now would be different than the Civil War? Well, you have to understand that the Civil War was very political. It basically came down to state rights (Confederacy) vs federal control (Union). And though slavery was a huge topic at the time, slavery was primarily used by the Union as a tool to demonize the Confederacy (blaming the war on slavery alone), to garner support for the Union in the form of former slaves as soldiers, and destabilizing the security and economy of the Confederacy (Emancipation Proclamation). I do not mean to sound as if I support the Confederacy or slavery. I'm just explaining the real situation so I can explain the difference between then and now.

So, a rebellion now would resemble the Revolution more than the Civil War. It would not be a war created by disagreeing politicians. It would be a war created by the common man's frustration with the establishment. And we've got a fuck-ton of common men. This would be a war between the many and the few. The few would have more money, weapons, tools, and some soldiers.... and the common man would have numbers, ingenuity, and resolve. It would be another war for freedom.

Now, hold on. That sounds balls crazy. Well, crazier shit has happened within the past 100 years, folks.

Now, do I think a rebellion could actually overthrow the government? Hmmm. Part of me would like to think it possible, as our nation was founded on the principle that we had the right to overthrow it at any time. BUT, honestly, I do not know that we could.

AND, I personally never want that to happen. I've got kids and family and the last thing I want is a war at home. So, I hope we can resolve this through voting.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:

What I don't understand is how people can believe she didn't commit crimes regarding the email issue.

I feel like, even if they convict her, there will be Hillary supporters saying she's innocent, Trump orchestrated it, and/or that she should have been president anyway.

What the hell is wrong with the world today?


Not to mention Benghazi, and the fairly long list of people associated with her that have mysteriously died. There's more, but I'll keep my mouth shut in regards to all that. Hillary supporters aren't living in reality. They're brainwashed idiots.

There's a lot wrong with the world today. ISIS is gaining footage, Russia is pissed at the US for various reasons and several countries have renounced ties with the US and sided with Russia in the event that a war is actually initiated. We're not far off from Wold War III, and Hillary supporters are being the sheep she needs them to be.

The next 4-10 years will be interesting. At least there is that.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:

What I don't understand is how people can believe she didn't commit crimes regarding the email issue.

I feel like, even if they convict her, there will be Hillary supporters saying she's innocent, Trump orchestrated it, and/or that she should have been president anyway.

What the hell is wrong with the world today?


Not to mention Benghazi, and the fairly long list of people associated with her that have mysteriously died. There's more, but I'll keep my mouth shut in regards to all that. Hillary supporters aren't living in reality. They're brainwashed idiots.

There's a lot wrong with the world today. ISIS is gaining footage, Russia is pissed at the US for various reasons and several countries have renounced ties with the US and sided with Russia in the event that a war is actually initiated. We're not far off from Wold War III, and Hillary supporters are being the sheep she needs them to be.

The next 4-10 years will be interesting. At least there is that.


Yep. Possibly apocalypse interesting. But, that could be the case either way, really.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:


kevz_210 wrote:


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Problem, its almost impossible to get an outsider into political office in the US due to the campaign finance system. It takes years of sucking up and taking bribes to become a party nominee for office. It is very rare that a principaled person who is not a corporate stoodge represents a constituency, especially at the national level.

Rebellion? With a population that is out of shape and spends its day watching reality television shows that are so dumb only the borderline braindead could appreciate them? Not in this lifetime.


Right you are about political office. The only way, hypothetically, would be an outright refusal to vote for anyone in the Republic or Democratic party. And the problem with that is the moment such a movement existed, Republicans and Democrats would create dummy parties to support their candidates anyway.

As far as rebellion goes, I absolutely hate the idea, and I think it is the worst possible solution.

However, you're drastically underestimating the potential of the American people. Why?

First, let's look at insurgency and its effectiveness. We can't even nail down insurgents in the middle east, and we've got a lot more resources, about 100 million more people, and a little more land mass.

Now, you must understand that military personnel are some of the most patriotic people in the world. If ever a rebellion did occur, we'd gain some of that military AND their equipment (radios being probably one of the most important things).

In addition, our military is so large that we have a vast number of veterans. Not only are many of these veterans experienced in combat, but even the ones that aren't know our military's strategies and tactics. Basically, we would make better insurgents than the insurgents in the middle east.

In addition, if such a rebellion broke out, many people would no longer be providing taxes to our government. Our government is in debt. There are no reserves to use. With very little tax revenue, our government would be forced to scramble to have money to fight the rebellion. Now, here's the kicker, they'd start MORE borrowing. That massive borrowing, and the Federal Reserve (actually a private bank and lender to the US) and other lenders complete willingness to provide those funds would lead to doubt about who's actually running the show.
And that leads to more rebels.

And the thing about a rebellion is that if it is too large to stomp out immediately, it spreads like wildfire. You have friends and relatives in the rebellion, they get cut down, shot up, tortured, maimed, and their bodies are treated like garbage.... and suddenly that spark of frustration and anger you have towards the government turns into an inferno, and you become a rebel yourself.

And the final piece of that puzzle would be investments from other nations. Just as nations (or people with special interests from those nations) secretly funded and supported the Confederacy in the Civil War (and you will find few history books that actually acknowledge that). Just as the US has secretly funded the infant rebel militant groups that later turned into terrorist organizations....
Our rebels would also receive such support. And that goes a long way.

Why a rebellion now would be different than the Civil War? Well, you have to understand that the Civil War was very political. It basically came down to state rights (Confederacy) vs federal control (Union). And though slavery was a huge topic at the time, slavery was primarily used by the Union as a tool to demonize the Confederacy (blaming the war on slavery alone), to garner support for the Union in the form of former slaves as soldiers, and destabilizing the security and economy of the Confederacy (Emancipation Proclamation). I do not mean to sound as if I support the Confederacy or slavery. I'm just explaining the real situation so I can explain the difference between then and now.

So, a rebellion now would resemble the Revolution more than the Civil War. It would not be a war created by disagreeing politicians. It would be a war created by the common man's frustration with the establishment. And we've got a fuck-ton of common men. This would be a war between the many and the few. The few would have more money, weapons, tools, and some soldiers.... and the common man would have numbers, ingenuity, and resolve. It would be another war for freedom.

Now, hold on. That sounds balls crazy. Well, crazier shit has happened within the past 100 years, folks.

Now, do I think a rebellion could actually overthrow the government? Hmmm. Part of me would like to think it possible, as our nation was founded on the principle that we had the right to overthrow it at any time. BUT, honestly, I do not know that we could.

AND, I personally never want that to happen. I've got kids and family and the last thing I want is a war at home. So, I hope we can resolve this through voting.


Things would have to get to the level of failing Venezuela for people here to feel that the risk was worth the reward. As bad as things are now, there is still food on the supermarket shelves and the jobs market while disgraceful compared to where it was 2 decades ago, is mediocre enough that people are still holding out for somebody to come in and clean up Washington before everything collapses.
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So out of curiosity I decided to read the actual letter the director of the FBI sent to congress, and it says nothing about reopening the original investigation. Just that they found additional emails (from an unrelated case) which may constitute evidence but must first be reviewed to assess their importance. They're simply updating the committee about a possibility rather than saying the email investigations are being totally reopened.

In other word the media is trying to play you all like a fiddle.. I guess they're running out of clickbait stories to sell papers with.


Woah there, cowboy, don't be letting what actually happened get in the way of some good old fashioned Hillary bashing.

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walker1455 wrote:

So out of curiosity I decided to read the actual letter the director of the FBI sent to congress, and it says nothing about reopening the original investigation. Just that they found additional emails (from an unrelated case) which may constitute evidence but must first be reviewed to assess their importance. They're simply updating the committee about a possibility rather than saying the email investigations are being totally reopened.

In other word the media is trying to play you all like a fiddle.. I guess they're running out of clickbait stories to sell papers with.


Woah there, cowboy, don't be letting what actually happened get in the way of some good old fashioned Hillary bashing.


The more I read about this the more I'm quirking an eyebrow at it. Its not even Clinton's emails, its Huma's emails to Clinton. No investigation was re-opened or anything.

Comey's message essentially said nothing and then they didn't release any details afterwards. There's no way he wouldn't know how it would fall out in the media 11 days before an election.
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A little bit too much of a perfect timing :p. But if she is indicted does this mean Trump wins automatically? Or is it another nominee who takes over like a vice president or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElPVu7O2Dh0 (BOMBSHELL! Trump Announces FBI Reopening Of Clinton Email Investigation!!!)


There are more than 2 candidates so it wouldn't be an auto win. If anything it would mean neither would be elected because all of the "well im voting for trump just to keep hillary out of office" and all the "I'm voting for hillary to keep trump out of office" would then vote for gary or jill to keep Trump out of office.
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All it really needs to take is one of the emails on Wiener's device to have been sent by Hillary and contain (c) in the subject or body.
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Woah there, cowboy, don't be letting what actually happened get in the way of some good old fashioned Hillary defending.



yeah, I heard all that from hilllary supporters when it was pointed out that Abedein's family is all fkn muslim brotherhood

but then hillary supporters cant quite make the 2+2 that she was running guns go ISIS (notice I did not say selling)
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HolyDrumstick wrote:

I agree with you to a degree.

However, I feel like we're at a point in history where we are so controlled that the only way we're going to get anything accomplished is:

A.) Vote in as many people as we can that the people in power don't want in. Basically, vote for the people as far out from everyone else as possible. EVERY political office and position of power we vote someone in, we need to ask ourselves -- who do they NOT want me to vote for? Then, vote for that person. We'll probably fuck up our country a little, for a little while, but we have to disturb the balance of power and control.

B.) Outright rebellion. Thing is, a rebellion happens when people have failed to affect change in their situation, and come to rebellion as a last option. I dearly hope we never get to that. It WILL fuck up our country for a long time.

So, I feel like we Americans, the lower class and the middle class, are very unhappy with our government. We really want to see change. We're tired of what has been going on. Unfortunately, we're also conditioned to be afraid of change. So, we keep voting for the same, controlling, crooked assholes. And we know they're dicks, and we know they are screwing us hard, but we're afraid that if we vote for something new, something that can be viewed as extreme, we may get screwed by an even bigger dick.

No matter what happens, it will resolve itself. Mankind is not meant to be controlled, and if we were no one would go through so much effort to convince us of our freedom.


I prefer a focused and smart rebellion to a blind, flailing one. I think we need to choose wisely who will be the leader of the rebellion or we will just fuck up the country for a bit before half the country starts thinking "maybe this wasn't a good idea" and bails on the idea. If Trump sends us into a recession, I would bet that there is virtually no chance that we will vote in another "radical" any time soon.
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DOJ is pissed with Comey.
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