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I prefer a focused and smart rebellion to a blind, flailing one. I think we need to choose wisely who will be the leader of the rebellion or we will just fuck up the country for a bit before half the country starts thinking "maybe this wasn't a good idea" and bails on the idea. If Trump sends us into a recession, I would bet that there is virtually no chance that we will vote in another "radical" any time soon.


No matter what Trump causes, it will not be a recession. War? Maybe. Stupidity? Almost definitely. Recession? Extremely unlikely. That's based on the policies he wants, and what I know of how things work.
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While I have no problems with them reopening the case, I don't think there's any stopping Hillary at this point in time. The elections are almost over, which is probably why Hillary won't be affected by this, aside from the connections she has.

If anything, the reopening of this case will affect her if Trump becomes POTUS. But, if Hillary takes 'Office, the case will be closed again.


Almost over? Uh dude, the election isn't until Nov 8th. Not that many people have already voted and sealed the deal.





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yes Hillary wants women to be included in the draft registry.
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DOJ is pissed with Comey.


Oddly enough, everyone is pissed with Comey. Both campaigns want more actual information on whats going on and the DoJ is pissed because they're suppose to avoid shit like this within 60 days of an election.

Edit: Oh wow, I didn't see that the DoJ actually warned Comey *before* he sent the letter.
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VZ68 wrote:


Gross1985 wrote:

While I have no problems with them reopening the case, I don't think there's any stopping Hillary at this point in time. The elections are almost over, which is probably why Hillary won't be affected by this, aside from the connections she has.

If anything, the reopening of this case will affect her if Trump becomes POTUS. But, if Hillary takes 'Office, the case will be closed again.


Almost over? Uh dude, the election isn't until Nov 8th. Not that many people have already voted and sealed the deal.





is this pic legit?


More legit than most of the crazy stuff out there.
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VZ68 wrote:


redokami wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


Gross1985 wrote:

While I have no problems with them reopening the case, I don't think there's any stopping Hillary at this point in time. The elections are almost over, which is probably why Hillary won't be affected by this, aside from the connections she has.

If anything, the reopening of this case will affect her if Trump becomes POTUS. But, if Hillary takes 'Office, the case will be closed again.


Almost over? Uh dude, the election isn't until Nov 8th. Not that many people have already voted and sealed the deal.





is this pic legit?


More legit than most of the crazy stuff out there.


source? I didn't see it on her site
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It's all fun and games here.

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Does it really matter? The 'elite' of this country are always getting away with stuff that others go to prison for because they're not privileged. It's always like that. Equality doesn't exist. People like Clinton will always be privileged because no one will stand up and put at stop to the special treatment of the rich and famous.

So again I asked, Does it really matter?? Will this actually do any good?? Will it change anything?? I'm betting 'No'.
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MysticGon wrote:
DOJ is pissed with Comey.


Oddly enough, everyone is pissed with Comey. Both campaigns want more actual information on whats going on and the DoJ is pissed because they're suppose to avoid shit like this within 60 days of an election.

Edit: Oh wow, I didn't see that the DoJ actually warned Comey *before* he sent the letter.


I hate the excuse they give. It being too close to the election, like there is diplomatic immunity for presidential candidates. Same goes for Trump and those Trump U, rape cases.
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runec wrote:


MysticGon wrote:
DOJ is pissed with Comey.


Oddly enough, everyone is pissed with Comey. Both campaigns want more actual information on whats going on and the DoJ is pissed because they're suppose to avoid shit like this within 60 days of an election.

Edit: Oh wow, I didn't see that the DoJ actually warned Comey *before* he sent the letter.


I hate the excuse they give. It being too close to the election, like there is diplomatic immunity for presidential candidates. Same goes for Trump and those Trump U, rape cases.


Why is it so weird that a government agency should not appear to be trying to influence an election? It's clearly stated in the FBI guidelines so it flies in the face of their own regulations. In regards to the Trump cases you mentioned, not a single one of them came from the FBI or any government agency so they don't carry the same heft. No one would make the same statement with Wikileaks dumping emails because they aren't paid government employees. My grandfather served in the military from WWII through Vietnam and beyond, and it was deeply ingrained in him not to make any negative statements about a sitting president no matter how much you might dislike or disagree with him. You might think that isn't relevant, but no matter which branch of the government you work for they make sure to tell you that you are to appear unbiased.
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I hate the excuse they give. It being too close to the election, like there is diplomatic immunity for presidential candidates. Same goes for Trump and those Trump U, rape cases.


Its not about immunity. As a rule the FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations and is not obligated too. The reason the DoJ/FBI don't comment close to an election is because, basically, people are stupid and the media isn't much better. As is evidenced by this entire scenario. Comey effectively said absolutely nothing and it's caused an uproar and may even have gotten himself in some real shit doing it.

I mean, Clinton is the one calling for full transparency. That should tell you how unusual this is. -.-





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MysticGon wrote:
I hate the excuse they give. It being too close to the election, like there is diplomatic immunity for presidential candidates. Same goes for Trump and those Trump U, rape cases.


Its not about immunity. As a rule the FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations and is not obligated too. The reason the DoJ/FBI don't comment close to an election is because, basically, people are stupid and the media isn't much better. As is evidenced by this entire scenario. Comey effectively said absolutely nothing and it's caused an uproar and may even have gotten himself in some real shit doing it.

I mean, Clinton is the one calling for full transparency. That should tell you how unusual this is. -.-







Of course she's calling for "full transparency." One: She's claiming innocence and is acting like she has nothing to hide. Two: She knows, full well, that the FBI isn't going to be transparent while doing their investigation. That's just an act.

In this case, Comey felt he was between a rock and a hard place. If he kept quiet until after the election, he would have caught hell for covering up evidence of wrong doing. His reputation, and the reputation of the FBI, as a neutral party with integrity, would have been seriously damaged. No one would trust the FBI ever again, when it came to potentially politically charged investigations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/james-comeys-inherently-horrible-decision/


... The alternative for Comey here was to say nothing about the newly discovered emails. That would certainly have been the easier course in the near-term, because it wouldn't have inserted the FBI into the final days of the campaign.

But what if there did turn out to be something of real substance that altered his evaluation of this case, and what if it didn't come out until after the election and after Clinton was elected president? Imagine the scandal that would arise if and when it was discovered that the Justice Department had these emails before the election and chose to sit on them.

If that had happened, the Justice Department could certainly defend itself by citing that long-standing policy of not commenting on ongoing investigations. Just following protocol, it would say. But that defense almost definitely wouldn't pass muster with half the country. And let's not forget how many people think Clinton's private email server is a very legitimate issue; a poll after Comey's July announcement showed 56 percent of the country thought Clinton should have been charged with a crime.

It's hard to overstate what a massive scandal this would be.

Of course, if this decision ultimately helps Trump come back and win the presidency, that will also cause huge blowback. But at least in that case, the FBI couldn't be accused of covering something up; its sin would be in being too forthcoming.

Democrats view this as Comey — a Republican appointee who is no longer a registered member of the GOP — bowing to political pressure that has been applied by Republicans. Trump has been crying foul about a “rigged” political system for months, and his supporters have been eating it up. He also has been arguing for months that Clinton should be in jail or a special prosecutor should look at the case again, which his supporters also have eaten up.

That is the backdrop on which Comey had to make this decision, and there's no way the politics could be avoided. Law enforcement decisions should be independent of politics in an ideal world, but that's just wasn't plausible in this case. The public's confidence in the legal process is at stake.

Comey was confronted with an unprecedented situation and two very bad decisions, and he chose short-term pain over the prospect of a long-term scandal. Nobody should envy him right now.
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