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Post Reply No to Free Speech with Social Justice?
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Professor Jordon Peterson has been under fire recently for taking a stand against bill C-16 - which seeks to include 'gender identity or expression' as a prohibited ground for discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Canada's trans, non-binary and SJW communities are after him pitch forks and torches in hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRkzJOgoIqk
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but no pansy?

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Here you go: .
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I hope someone who sexually identifies as an attack helicopter goes there and the SJWs all get bombed.
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Since when does free speech mean freedom from other groups disagreeing with you? Or freedom from employers deciding if your opinions represent them or not?
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The freedom of speech protects you from one thing. It has only ever protected you from one thing: you can't be arrested for what you say. That's it. That's all it has ever been. It doesn't mean that you are absolved of any penalties for what you say. You can still be kicked out of an institution or a job for creating a hostile environment for another person on superficial things they can't help. In a democratic society, we collectively decide the ethics and morals of our nations, thus non-discrimination policies democratically agreed upon is an exercise of a democracy, not an infringement of rights. Garner enough support, and you may be able to overturn the law, you can still work in the democratic process to change things you disagree with. So no, this is not an attack on free speech, you can still say whatever you want, but you're out of your mind if you ever think there's zero consequence for what you say, you're just safe from the government coming to lock you up and silence you. Welcome to democracy: the tyranny of the majority.
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@pansy that gif is perfect XD
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ClothStatue wrote:

The freedom of speech protects you from one thing. It has only ever protected you from one thing: you can't be arrested for what you say. That's it. That's all it has ever been. It doesn't mean that you are absolved of any penalties for what you say. You can still be kicked out of an institution or a job for creating a hostile environment for another person on superficial things they can't help. In a democratic society, we collectively decide the ethics and morals of our nations, thus non-discrimination policies democratically agreed upon is an exercise of a democracy, not an infringement of rights. Garner enough support, and you may be able to overturn the law, you can still work in the democratic process to change things you disagree with. So no, this is not an attack on free speech, you can still say whatever you want, but you're out of your mind if you ever think there's zero consequence for what you say, you're just safe from the government coming to lock you up and silence you. Welcome to democracy: the tyranny of the majority.


The "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" line is a bucket of shite.

What if I was a boss of a company, and I fired all my muslim employees and said "freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from consequences"?

If freedom of speech doesn't mean anything more than the government not arresting you for what you say, it doesn't mean anything at all. And in the mouth of an SJW, that is indeed the case, but people who actually believe in liberty feel otherwise.
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The "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" line is a bucket of shite.

What if I was a boss of a company, and I fired all my muslim employees and said "freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from consequences"?


Actually that's exactly what I'm talking about. We have non-discrimination policies for religion for that very reason. Because without it you could indeed fire all your muslim employees because the freedom of religion means that the government cannot, again, arrest you for practicing a religion, that's all it means. Which is why white settlers came to the Americas in the first place (at least the british ones). We put in non-discrimination policies because we collectively agreed that that's some real bullshit. That's what we've done for ethnicity, for race, and for sex as well.


If freedom of speech doesn't mean anything more than the government not arresting you for what you say, it doesn't mean anything at all.


Actually it means everything. It means you cannot be silenced by the government. It goes hand in hand with the freedom of the press. Because as long as you can still voice your opinion you cannot be taken out of the democratic process. If you don't think that means anything, please go look at Russia under Putin and see the difference.
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ClothStatue wrote:

The freedom of speech protects you from one thing. It has only ever protected you from one thing: you can't be arrested for what you say. That's it. That's all it has ever been. It doesn't mean that you are absolved of any penalties for what you say. You can still be kicked out of an institution or a job for creating a hostile environment for another person on superficial things they can't help. In a democratic society, we collectively decide the ethics and morals of our nations, thus non-discrimination policies democratically agreed upon is an exercise of a democracy, not an infringement of rights. Garner enough support, and you may be able to overturn the law, you can still work in the democratic process to change things you disagree with. So no, this is not an attack on free speech, you can still say whatever you want, but you're out of your mind if you ever think there's zero consequence for what you say, you're just safe from the government coming to lock you up and silence you. Welcome to democracy: the tyranny of the majority.


Basically "Freedom of Speech does not protect against everyone else's Freedom to Laugh At You."

(Which was what the Rainbow Mafia had been hoping for, when they took their Silencing of Dissent up north.)
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Boring ignorant conservative trolls continue to be boring and ignorant. Yawn.
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free speech vs hate speech

it will depend on which side you are on

then double standards will applied
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Rowan93 wrote:

I hope someone who sexually identifies as an attack helicopter goes there and the SJWs all get bombed.


Not going to lie, being referred to as an apache does sound quite appealing
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While I disagree with Professor Jordon Peterson on a personal level the comment section is pure fucking Neo Nazi gold....And the sad part is I know some of them are Canadian.

Canada how the fuck do you become just as bad as the Yanks south of the border?
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