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So, to recap:

Huma's emails found in an unrelated case with an unrelated warrant whose contents were completely unknown and of no known significance:

"THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING EVIDENCE OF CLINTON'S CORRUPTION AND THE FBI WAS FULLY RIGHT TO TELL US BECAUSE ELECTION"

A server in Trump Tower that literally only communicates with a server in Russia, whose communication traffic increases around every major political event, which was taken down after it started coming out in the news, which was then replaced by a new server that resumed communication with the Russian server. Something that would only be possible if someone was in communication with the Russian side:

"This is fine. The FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations."
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MidoriNoTora wrote:

As I have said before, I have an open mind. My view of the situation is that some elements in Ukraine were pulling to the west and some were pulling to the east. Violent protests ensued over several months, eventually culminating in the president fleeing the country. Having lost its key ally, Russia intervened both overtly and covertly to ensure that the Ukraine did not slip into the western camp. This is all perfectly logical - western powers have intervened in their own neighbours' countries to ensure they didn't stray from their sphere of influence, so it makes sense that Russia would do the same.

However, as you imply in the first quote above, Russia has taken no aggressive actions with its neighbours in recent years. Therefore the situation I described cannot possibly have happened.

If you really believe that then you have a closed mind and there is no point showing you evidence of Russian aggression as you will just discount it. What is ironic is that Russia has acknowledged some of its aggressive actions, yet you don't believe they exist.

I will post a link now to some "western propaganda." Feel free to read it or not, but I think it makes some interesting points.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31020283
Excellent, debate between open minds is often the most fruitful.

That there was a corruption problem in Ukraine is of course not in question. The elements pulling to the east of course having more russian ties. Old president fleed because half the new cabinet were people he put in jail, folks like yuliya tymoshenko. Just another evil c*** out to pad her own pockets at the expense of her countrymen. Go look up some of her quotes, amazing the vitriol from that woman.

Also of note is the amount of newly minted Ukranian citizens that were placed in the post coup government there. Nuland's friends. Nuland and her husband Kagan are connected to the clintons and us government. Joe Biden's son getting named to the board of one of the biggest gas developers there.

Another point - the locals were almost unanimously against fracking there - but of course, what do you think the new puppets in Kiev think? They think fracking is great of course.

GMOs too, the locals didnt want monsanto in there - well, Kiev thinks differently.

The only "covert" "meddling" russia did - and they werent exactly covert about it - was letting members of the russian army that had family in the regions like Dontesk, go fight with their cousins against the army that the Kiev puppets sent. They wanted to determine their own fate and Kiev said no, so while Russia was not actively acting there, personally I cannot blame them for letting some of their army have leave with no questions asked.

Pictures of where it was said BUK batteries were, were not in those areas, I have personally seen from pictures folks from over there had put up showing the very same intersections in dnipropetrovsk where the western media claimed it was actually in dontesk to try and assert that Russian BUK batteries were actually in Ukraine. Just all lies.

But I can see how if someone has zero exposure to local news and has all the information filtered and changed to support a narrative then one might be inclined to have believed a lot of what the western media has said so far on it.




Anyway...your "western propaganda" article begins with a false premise...so where to go from there?


Russia's annexation of Crimea last year caught almost everyone off guard.


Then goes about setting up history, narrative, and "perception from russia's neighbors"...I dont know what to say except that like any good lie, there's a good amount of truth mixed in there but its the key portions that are changed that make the entire story very different. Its no secret that US-EU-OPEC has been trying to find ways around having to buy so much of their gas from russia, and this is all part of the geopolitical strategy-war, this propaganda.

percentages of ethnic russians



who speaks more russian or ukranian




so you can see that what I am asserting is exactly reflected along these much older ethnic and cultural roots.
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alinsky's student points the finger well

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Trump is an international businessman. He's got business interests all around the world. He talks openly about his good relations with people AND politicians all around the globe. If he has ties to Russia because of his business dealings, it's cause he's an international businessman.

However, he has much more business ties with China. He says so himself. So.... The Chinese are just as big a threat to the U.S. in the Pacific Rim, as Russia is in the Middle East, and Eastern Europe. Where's the shock and news about that?

I think it's just an attempt by the Hillary Campaign to paint Trump as a puppet of Putin, Putin's puppet. Trump as a trumpet of Putin. A Putinpet Trumpeting Trump's Putin's puppetry of Trump....

Don't pay any attention to that last part, I was just trying to come up with a clever pun, but it didn't pan out.
Posted 11/1/16
china's a tough nut to crack, lots of obscurity there too. xi has done a lot of cleaning house though including some oligarchs like putin has done, so...the globalists never like that, because said folks are "more a global than national citizen" by and large.

its difficult to speak of "aggression," however, without at least acknowledging the streak the USA has been on...



The following is a list of countries invaded by the US forces (naval, military and ultimately air forces) since its inception in order of major incidents. This catalogue derives heavily form the work of US academic Dr Zoltan Grossman's article “From Wounded Knee to Libya : a century of U.S. military interventions” [1], Gideon Polya's book ‘Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950” (that includes a brief history of all countries since Neolithic times) [2] and William Blum's book “ Rogue State ” [3]. This list includes instances of violent deployment of US forces within America (e.g. against demonstrators, miners etc), and includes small-scale bombing and military intervention operations, military evacuations of Americans and specific instances of explicit threats of use of nuclear weapons. The list does not include the 1801-1805 US Marine Barbary War operations against Barbary pirates based in Morocco , Algeria , Tunisia and Libya , and also ignores massive US subversion of virtually all countries in the world.

(1) American Indian nations (1776 onwards, American Indian Genocide; 1803, Louisiana Purchase; 1844, Indians banned from east of the Mississippi; 1861 onwards, California genocide; 1890, Lakota Indians massacre), (2) Mexico (1836-1846; 1913; 1914-1918; 1923), (3) Nicaragua (1856-1857; 1894; 1896; 1898; 1899; 1907; 1910; 1912-1933; 1981-1990), (4) American forces deployed against Americans (1861-1865, Civil War; 1892; 1894; 1898; 1899-1901; 1901; 1914; 1915; 1920-1921; 1932; 1943; 1967; 1968; 1970; 1973; 1992; 2001), (5), Argentina (1890), (6), Chile (1891; 1973), (7) Haiti (1891; 1914-1934; 1994; 2004-2005), (8) Hawaii (1893-), (9) China (1895-1895; 1898-1900; 1911-1941; 1922-1927; 1927-1934; 1948-1949; 1951-1953; 1958), (10) Korea (1894-1896; 1904-1905; 1951-1953), (11) Panama (1895; 1901-1914; 1908; 1912; 1918-1920; 1925; 1958; 1964; 1989-), (12) Philippines (1898-1910; 1948-1954; 1989; 2002-), (13) Cuba (1898-1902; 1906-1909; 1912; 1917-1933; 1961; 1962), (14) Puerto Rico (1898-; 1950; ); (15) Guam (1898-), (16) Samoa (1899-), (17) Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989), (18) Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966), (19) Germany (1917-1918; 1941-1945; 1948; 1961), (20) Russia (1918-1922), (21) Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999), (22) Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967), (23) Turkey (1922), (24) El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992), (25) Italy (1941-1945); (26) Morocco (1941-1945), (27) France (1941-1945), (28) Algeria (1941-1945), (29) Tunisia (1941-1945), (30) Libya (1941-1945; 1981; 1986; 1989; 2011), (31) Egypt (1941-1945; 1956; 1967; 1973; 2013), (32) India (1941-1945), (33) Burma (1941-1945), (34) Micronesia (1941-1945), (35) Papua New Guinea (1941-1945), (36) Vanuatu (1941-1945), (37) Austria (1941-1945), (38) Hungary (1941-1945), (39) Japan (1941-1945), (40) Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ), (41) Uruguay (1947), (42) Greece (1947-1949), (43) Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975), (44) Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984), (45) Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011), (46) Laos (1962-), (47) Indonesia (1965), (48) Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975), (49) Oman (1970), (50) Laos (1971-1973), (51) Angola (1976-1992), (52) Grenada (1983-1984), (53) Bolivia (1986; ), (54) Virgin Islands (1989), (55) Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003), (56) Saudi Arabia (1990-1991), (57) Kuwait (1991), (58) Somalia (1992-1994; 2006), (59) Bosnia (1993-), (60) Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997), (61) Albania (1997), (62) Sudan (1998), (63) Afghanistan (1998; 2001-), (64) Yemen (2000; 2002-), (65) Macedonia (2001), (66) Colombia (2002-), (67) Pakistan (2005-), (68) Syria (2008; 2011-), (69) Uganda (2011), (70) Mali (2013), (71) Niger (2013).
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this is obvious. the fact that we need something this obvious to be spelled out for us...that's rather sad. i guess we have CNN and WP to thank for making believe in a conspiracy theory of sort:

WP: Donald Trump, Putin's puppet
WP: Flood of scoops about Donald Trump and Russia
WP: Why is Trump suddenly talking about World War III?
WP: That secret Trump-Russia email server link is likely

the fearmongering is insane. even more insane is that people actually believe them.
Posted 11/1/16

runec wrote:

So, to recap:

Huma's emails found in an unrelated case with an unrelated warrant whose contents were completely unknown and of no known significance:

"THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING EVIDENCE OF CLINTON'S CORRUPTION AND THE FBI WAS FULLY RIGHT TO TELL US BECAUSE ELECTION"

A server in Trump Tower that literally only communicates with a server in Russia, whose communication traffic increases around every major political event, which was taken down after it started coming out in the news, which was then replaced by a new server that resumed communication with the Russian server. Something that would only be possible if someone was in communication with the Russian side:

"This is fine. The FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations."


What's funny is that my sources have no true love for DT, and would report such things were they any more than democrat sewing circle rumors.
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this is obvious. the fact that we need something this obvious to be spelled out for us...that's rather sad. i guess we have CNN and WP to thank for making believe in a conspiracy theory of sort:

WP: Donald Trump, Putin's puppet
WP: Flood of scoops about Donald Trump and Russia
WP: Why is Trump suddenly talking about World War III?
WP: That secret Trump-Russia email server link is likely

the fearmongering is insane. even more insane is that people actually believe them.


Couple that with Nazi level hero worship propaganda and you have the Democratic strategy that ran Bernie into the ground from day one.

https://youtu.be/uvwePumAz9E

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Couple that with Nazi level hero worship propaganda and you have the Democratic strategy that ran Bernie into the ground from day one.

https://youtu.be/uvwePumAz9E


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