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Everything is a cliché - or, rather, everything is a structure. We learn to converse by picking up on the meanings of the common phrases we hear. This is why, if you're actually aware enough to pay attention to what you say, you'll realize that almost nothing is original: you're speaking in phrases - and even meanings! - you learned from your exposure to society. (Notice that I put an exclamation point in the middle of a sentence. I think I was okay with this because I think i've seen hyphenated asides in the past that do this.)

Challenging these structures is incredibly difficult. This is why leftists talk so much about power structures - and why we can have so many leftists talking about power structures without actually knowing the philosophy behind them and consequently making the same mistakes they criticize. It'd be pretty funny if it weren't sad.

From this perspective, hating on clichés is kind of silly. But defending them is just as silly, because there's no reason we ought to follow the structures given us by those in power. Barthes said writing fiction is like flashing your ass at the political authorities; why would you want to be propagandizing for those authorities?

If you want a good perspective on fiction, I suggest you read Literary Theory by Terry Eagleton. That's where I learned a lot of this stuff. Eagleton is pretty Marxist, and so he also makes mistakes unawares, as I said, but you can't pin it on him because he says he isn't setting out to be objective in the first place.


Everything is a cliche only if you look at cliches objectively, which I'd argue is flawed in and of itself. Whether or not something is cliche depends on who has seen the patterns before. To say that everything is cliche because everything is a structure is like saying everyone is tired of every food because they have the capacity to eat something over and over again regardless of whether or not they actually do it.
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ClothStatue wrote:

Everything is a cliche only if you look at cliches objectively, which I'd argue is flawed in and of itself. Whether or not something is cliche depends on who has seen the patterns before. To say that everything is cliche because everything is a structure is like saying everyone is tired of every food because they have the capacity to eat something over and over again regardless of whether or not they actually do it.


No, because structuralism.
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No, because structuralism.


Of course, everything we are and see has roots in things outside of us, but whether or not someone finds something cliche is dependent on whether or not it is obtuse enough for them to find it so. Cliche is an opinion, not a fact, like annoyance. Nothing is inherently annoying, you find things annoying. If someone does not recognize a pattern, then it would not be considered cliche by that person

There is no such thing as true originality, but good fiction can disguise it as if there were, when you do not, that is what makes something cliche.
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It depends on what it is, some anime cliches just set me off. The weird brother/sister attraction one, oversexualized young girls (loli), the "I want to die" suicidal character, the main character cries every episode, and finally the "I've been gifted this awesome power but I'm too much of a wuss to use it." All of those cause me to instantly drop anime or other shows that I would otherwise really like to watch.
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