Post Reply Upset or not over alledged voter fraud
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It doesn't seem that there are reliable measures to count voter fraud since many states don't mandate using any kind of identification to prevent fraud. In fact, there is deliberate loop hole. As a European, I find that such detail clearly undermines the democratic process.

Votes disappearing, dead people voting, administrative mishaps, system glitches, voter purges & voter fraud. And of course election fraud.
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If you're referring to the US democracy I couldn't agree with you more on this.
The US is already corrupt with politics and people support the most crazy ideologies out there.

Posted 11/6/16 , edited 11/6/16
Honestly, bro, I just live my life, and disregard anything having to do with politics. People's votes don't even matter because the next president is already decided regardless of who "gets" the most votes. #Rothschild
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OnePunchJoJo wrote:

Honestly, bro, I just live my life, and disregard anything having to do with politics. People's votes don't even matter because the next president is already decided regardless of who "gets" the most votes. #Rothschild


Yeah basically you can have people who get persuaded into voting for them when they do more bad for a country. Seems like our government should elect somebody for what's right rather than having our own people mess up our country. Logic
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Gmips21 wrote:

It doesn't seem that there are reliable measures to count voter fraud since many states don't mandate using any kind of identification to prevent fraud. In fact, there is deliberate loop hole. As a European, I find that such detail clearly undermines the democratic process.

Votes disappearing, dead people voting, administrative mishaps, system glitches, voter purges & voter fraud. And of course election fraud.


Thing is, Trump has cried "voter fraud" and "rigged elections" SO many times, he's become the Little Orange Boy Who Cried Wolf, and no one's bothering to take the concerns seriously anymore--
Even when there really are voter-suppression laws, like in the Carolina states.
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Gmips21 wrote:

It doesn't seem that there are reliable measures to count voter fraud since many states don't mandate using any kind of identification to prevent fraud. In fact, there is deliberate loop hole. As a European, I find that such detail clearly undermines the democratic process.

Votes disappearing, dead people voting, administrative mishaps, system glitches, voter purges & voter fraud. And of course election fraud.


It's tragic, and will probably lead to a civil war.
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Things like voter ID laws don't do much to prevent fraud, unfortunately. The way our elections work, it's hardly efficient to go in pretending to be someone else when that just means standing in another line for 2+ hours. And you don't need an ID for a lot of absentee ballots (maybe a photocopy, but that's hardly important when you're not there to show your face as well), where it is easier to make an impact with fraudulent ballots. Usually just our social security numbers, which in the case of 'zombie voters', is known to the person/s who are trying to sway the election.

And it does nothing to prevent any active attempt by a politically motivated group, like disqualifying massive amounts of ballots or 'system glitches' or any of that. In order to fix problems like that, you would need a genuinely bipartisan outsider to run the entire election, from the top of determining what type of ballots are used to the nitty gritty of hiring people to work at the polls who do not have a strong bias towards one candidate. Which is pretty much impossible.
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pansyforyourthoughts wrote:
And it does nothing to prevent any active attempt by a politically motivated group, like disqualifying massive amounts of ballots or 'system glitches' or any of that. In order to fix problems like that, you would need a genuinely bipartisan outsider to run the entire election, from the top of determining what type of ballots are used to the nitty gritty of hiring people to work at the polls who do not have a strong bias towards one candidate. Which is pretty much impossible.


Looking at the hard work and effort that Jeb Bush put in trying to throw the '00 election in Florida--with all the "dings" and confusingly-written ballots--it just makes it so much more unlikely for Trump to see it under every bush and bed.

In MA, we had a "fixed" election on the state ballot question allowing state-sponsored (non-tribal) gambling so MGM Grand could build a casino--
Which they had to get permission for first by deliberately writing the ballot question to confuse, asking voters to "Vote yes to ban casinos!"
Naturally, all of MGM's own ad-money went into "Vote No on Question 2 (ie., not to ban casinos, and allow them), to save jobs!", and voters went with what instinctively sounded like made sense.
Guess how the voting came out.

See? This stuff is freakin' HARD TO DO, and requires months of knocking the crap out of yourself.
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Posted 11/6/16

Ejanss wrote:

Looking at the hard work and effort that Jeb Bush put in trying to throw the '00 election in Florida--with all the "dings" and confusingly-written ballots--it just makes it so much more unlikely for Trump to see it under every bush and bed.

In MA, we had a "fixed" election on the state ballot question allowing state-sponsored (non-tribal) gambling so MGM Grand could build a casino--
Which they had to get permission for first by deliberately writing the ballot question to confuse, asking voters to "Vote yes to ban casinos!"
Naturally, all of MGM's own ad-money went into "Vote No on Question 2 (ie., not to ban casinos, and allow them), to save jobs!", and voters went with what instinctively sounded like made sense.
Guess how the voting came out.

See? This stuff is freakin' HARD TO DO, and requires months of knocking the crap out of yourself.


Oh, I don't disagree. Voter fraud is an overblown issue; it happens, but it's not going to throw a presidential election unless it's as close as a few thousand votes. But I don't think anyone has proposed a meaningfully worthwhile solution to the ways it does happen, when it does, so it's not something I can get outraged about on a broad scale when most of the instances are something unique and need to be dealt with and addressed on a case-by-case basis.

Also, I frankly consider voter ID laws to be a form of voter suppression in and of themselves, as about 10% of Americans do not have government ID.
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Posted 11/6/16
Even if there was this huge operation to stuff ballots there is too much trust and/or apathy to do anything about it.
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Not a huge fan of states that use computers without a paper voting trail. Whether or not it has been widespread in the past, doesn't mean we shouldn't take precautions to protect the legitimacy of our elections.

Quite frankly, don't understand how large numbers of people lack some form of identification. Do they have a mortgage, a driver's license, a state ID, social security card, anything? I could understand that someone who is 90 or 100 might lack such things, but other than that you'd have to be living under a rock in today's day in age to have no way to confirm you identity.
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