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Yorutenchi wrote:

Sorry I must have misread you the first time.
lol
as I said in other threads I'm a libertarian soh my worst nightmare would be a world where the Proletariat are relegated to the rank of serfs - or cattle - whereas only the elites & the SS have the right to self-defence (in the US the SS are corrupt enough as they are with all the power their badge gives them). worst possible class-divide ever

and ykw I bet even the 2nd amendment won't be safe under Trump much as he claims otherwise



Bernicrat sounds ok but what about DemAnders? ("demand change!")



tbh Bernie does sound like a bit of an idealist on his economic views (even from a "leftie" point of view)
hopefully he won't declare himself as a "socialist" if he ever returns, in the US I get the impression that word has a very negative connotation almost like "communist" (whereas in the EU it's more or less neutral)
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An4rK wrote:


Yorutenchi wrote:

Sorry I must have misread you the first time.
lol

as I said in other threads I'm a libertarian & as such my worst nightmare would be a world where the Proletariat are relegated to the rank of cattle whereas only the elites & the SS have the right to self-defence (in the US the SS are corrupt enough as they are with all the power their badge gives them)


Bernicrat sounds ok but what about DemAnders? ("demand change!")



tbh Bernie does sound like a bit of an idealist on his economic views (even from a "leftie" point of view)
hopefully he won't declare himself as a "socialist" if he ever returns, in the US I get the impression that word has a very negative connotation almost like "communist" (whereas in the EU it's more or less neutral)


I don't think it has the negative stigma it did. He owned the word socialist and had us as a country talking about what socialism is. I think like a software engineer. We want a system that works. We want a certain output so we need to know what code to put in to make it work that way. We need to configure algorithms to deal with potential problems and constant updates and maintenance on the system once it launches out of beta. I find that democratic socialism runs closest along those lines. I don't want communism or any kind of government dictation of labor especially but I want certain services to be allocated fairly and plentifully. Education, public transportation, healthcare and criminal justice system are all examples of where I agreed with Bernie the most.

I think that I would be a libertarian if I at the heart of my being believed people to be good. I don't. I don't think people are innately good and I think it takes tremendous effort for people to be good. That is where classical and even neo-libertarianism fails. It isn't without merit of course but the core of the idea that the market will simply work itself out is wishful thinking.
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hey I never said pure capitalism works either, on the contrary (in fact that shit was actually implemented at least once, involved a brutal police state & failed miserably both economically & socially)


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An4rK wrote:

hey I never said pure capitalism works either, on the contrary (in fact that shit was actually implemented at least once, involved a brutal police state & failed miserably both economically & socially)




I wasn't suggesting it. I just meant the core of the party's belief that privatization is generally better than government control.
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Posted 21 days ago
God I hope so.
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Posted 21 days ago
next elections will probably be rigged (they already stole 3 presidential elections, what's 1 more)
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Posted 21 days ago
sure, it's the Tokyo Olympics!
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Posted 21 days ago
This election was......unique. It definitely wasn't boring. I don't think we're ever going to have anything like this again in our lifetimes.

For those of you who disliked Trump, I can sort of understand, because in the debates he was quite a loudmouth. But the catch there is that he's an outsider. He's not tied to any connections that Hillary and other politicians have, and he doesn't run on some playbook. Such is why I admire Trump, though I think that once he assumes 'Office, he ought to clean up his act, just a little bit.

For those of you whose choice didn't win, don't feel ashamed. The truth is that this year was rough, and a lot of us just wanted this to be over with. Well, it's all done, and we all pulled through. If any of you went out and voted, be proud, because you did what was most important. Ignore anybody who says "Oh; third-party choices are a wasted vote!" because the only waste in voting is not voting.

It's too bad about all these protests and riots occurring throughout the country, though. If any of you live in big cities, stay safe out there.
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Posted 21 days ago
not if kanye west runs
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redokami wrote:

<< my cat btw lol, his face sums it up perf


I want to pet the kitty.
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Posted 21 days ago
Stop hyperventilating, people.
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Posted 21 days ago
2020 Will be much better

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How is the guy who ran against the establishment - drew attention to the corrupt system that he got a birds eye view of due to his wealth - actually winning the presidency a bad thing?

[etc etc.]
funny part is people believing he's anti-establishment

Sanders was anti-establishment (hence why he was booted)

as for criticizing Trump? goes way beyond his character. it'd be a travesty of your "justice" system if Hilary were convicted (though of course I'd feel no sympathy for that dumb bitch, she got Sanders kicked out & Trump elected after all) whereas Trump remained free but then again this rigged election was also a travesty to begin with

and the women who dropped their charges - wise decision not to piss off a business magnate who can make you disappear in a jiffy if he wants to - especially when it becomes clear he's about to gain absolute power on top of his already considerable corporate power
picking on far less powerful celebrities like Bill Cosby is a safer bet
(strange thing is, when the defendant is a commoner then the neocons are prompt to apply "presumption of guilt" but when the accused is part of an elite class like the SS or the corporate honchos then it's "presumption of innocence")


How would it be a travesty if she was convicted? There's mountains of evidence against her - and now that we know how to verify a wikileaks email there's no arguing it. Bernie wasn't anti-establishment, he was allowed to be there and he was still pushing many of the same agendas. He had a good message, but the reason he was ousted was because they wanted someone with a less inconvenient message. The thing about Trump - he can't be bribed, he's a billionaire and he's ready to die for this because he already has everything he wants in life and says he wants to do some good - and there's an army of naysayers poisoned by the propaganda machine positioned against him - ignoring any sort of physical evidence to counter what they believe because - because that's what they do. They don't even have a reason and can't even debate it! They just get mad because they have nothing to say!

Stronger together - my ass. Maybe stronger together with little children in a hot tub on lolita express island. I'm not just forming this opinion on one or two wikileaks emails, everywhere you look if you ACTUALLY look into this, it's so twisted that anyone who would try to defend it after reading it deserves to be in jail as well.

You're saying the women who dropped their charges were doing it because he's so rich? Give me a break, you CAN'T be serious. They brought it up in the first place, and then arbitrarily change their stance? If you believe that you've got some serious problems connecting dots.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty"? - because I challenge you to find one piece of evidence to support the claims against Trump. I guarantee in the entirety of the internet, you cannot. Because people have not and they've certainly been trying. Meanwhile, email hacks and undercover investigations have given us mountains of proof that Hillary is guilty of the things she was accused of - and the only people you see dropping that one are her cronies like James Comey.

I sincerely hope you don't die this ignorant, because it would be the real tragedy here. It's like you have not even googled any of this shit - which I'm willing to bet most of you have not. You walked by the TV and heard someone say something on CNN, and here we are.
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VeggyZ wrote:


An4rK wrote:


VeggyZ wrote:

How is the guy who ran against the establishment - drew attention to the corrupt system that he got a birds eye view of due to his wealth - actually winning the presidency a bad thing?

[etc etc.]
funny part is people believing he's anti-establishment

Sanders was anti-establishment (hence why he was booted)

as for criticizing Trump? goes way beyond his character. it'd be a travesty of your "justice" system if Hilary were convicted (though of course I'd feel no sympathy for that dumb bitch, she got Sanders kicked out & Trump elected after all) whereas Trump remained free but then again this rigged election was also a travesty to begin with

and the women who dropped their charges - wise decision not to piss off a business magnate who can make you disappear in a jiffy if he wants to - especially when it becomes clear he's about to gain absolute power on top of his already considerable corporate power
picking on far less powerful celebrities like Bill Cosby is a safer bet
(strange thing is, when the defendant is a commoner then the neocons are prompt to apply "presumption of guilt" but when the accused is part of an elite class like the SS or the corporate honchos then it's "presumption of innocence")


How would it be a travesty if she was convicted? There's mountains of evidence against her - and now that we know how to verify a wikileaks email there's no arguing it. Bernie wasn't anti-establishment, he was allowed to be there and he was still pushing many of the same agendas. He had a good message, but the reason he was ousted was because they wanted someone with a less inconvenient message. The thing about Trump - he can't be bribed, he's a billionaire and he's ready to die for this because he already has everything he wants in life and says he wants to do some good - and there's an army of naysayers poisoned by the propaganda machine positioned against him - ignoring any sort of physical evidence to counter what they believe because - because that's what they do. They don't even have a reason and can't even debate it! They just get mad because they have nothing to say!

Stronger together - my ass. Maybe stronger together with little children in a hot tub on lolita express island. I'm not just forming this opinion on one or two wikileaks emails, everywhere you look if you ACTUALLY look into this, it's so twisted that anyone who would try to defend it after reading it deserves to be in jail as well.

You're saying the women who dropped their charges were doing it because he's so rich? Give me a break, you CAN'T be serious. They brought it up in the first place, and then arbitrarily change their stance? If you believe that you've got some serious problems connecting dots.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty"? - because I challenge you to find one piece of evidence to support the claims against Trump. I guarantee in the entirety of the internet, you cannot. Because people have not and they've certainly been trying. Meanwhile, email hacks and undercover investigations have given us mountains of proof that Hillary is guilty of the things she was accused of - and the only people you see dropping that one are her cronies like James Comey.

I sincerely hope you don't die this ignorant, because it would be the real tragedy here. It's like you have not even googled any of this shit - which I'm willing to bet most of you have not. You walked by the TV and heard someone say something on CNN, and here we are.


sadly, my grandparents only got their facts off CNN, my grandma is stupid, my aunt is way ignorant, all she does is asks "mom who are you voting for" and without knowing ANYTHING that's who she votes for cuz mama did it
oh and it was Hillary, I tried to get them to see the truth , them 2 at least, my grandpa is a die hard party voter and he didn't see anything wrong with Hillary, said it would be stupid if she went to jail , ugh

its people like this who even got her that far, the ignorant who know NOTHING and the ones who ignore facts
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I think it will be more normal. Or at least it will seem normal.

I have no idea if Trump will go for a second term. Unless everything is going to shit I think he would run unopposed in the primary. In any case we will be used to him by then, and he will hopefully be used to acting presidential. Otherwise we will get probably get Pence. He's sure to give us a classy election, and almost as sure to give a classy concession speech (had to get that in there).

On the Democrat side, who knows? It's a case of having lots of uninspiring options. Bernie Sanders is too old. Joe Biden seems solid, but he's an old white guy, and doesn't seem particularly interested. Kerry is a less likeable old white guy. Howard Dean is an even less likeable old white guy. Martin O'Malley seems exciting - said no one ever. Keith Ellison, maybe, but nobody really knows him yet. Elizabeth Warren is a good choice, but she doesn't seem to want it - yet. There are others, and they have time to develop a new candidate from scratch.

Whoever it is, it should be a much more civilized election. A more presidential Trump/Pence against a respectable Democrat, that's how I see it playing out.
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