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hail Trump! hail Putin! hail Stalin!


I wonder how the Kremlin will rule over the new US(SR) lol

though tbh I'm banking on a russian-US "hot war" - as in nuclear war (just hoping the fallout doesn't spread too far outside 'merica & Russia). wuth Trump's temper & Putin's military background the odds are quite good
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No one really knows what effect it will have on the world, if he actually pulls out of the agreements to fight global warming. He said he would stop sending the billions the U.S. kept sending to the UN for that problem.

He also said, he would stop spending the trillions the U.S. been giving to countries around the world to build up democracies and fight terrorism. He said the OPEC nations should be paying for that, not the U.S.

He's said that those trillions should be spent in the U.S., rebuilding our infrastructure, and putting Americans to work. If he does those things, it will signal to Putin that Trump is not playing the NWO racket. That could go a long way to easing tensions between Russia and the U.S.

Trump has said that working together with Russia on crushing ISIS should be the way to do things. Will he be able to bridge that gap and get us working together with Russia in Syria to crush ISIS? We can only wait and see.


Again, not seeing how pulling the US influence around the world back is going to do anything but shift tensions further onto the smaller counties and abandoned allies. And I doubt Russia or OPEC will welcome seizing oil fields to pay for fighting ISIS.

Russia is expanding their global influence and rattling their sabers to deal with globalization on their own terms. Rolling over in isolationism won't make Russia go away, and it won't make them back down. Ceding global influence to Russia only works out if you're ready for them to set the terms.
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Posted 29 days ago

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DeadlyOats wrote:

No one really knows what effect it will have on the world, if he actually pulls out of the agreements to fight global warming. He said he would stop sending the billions the U.S. kept sending to the UN for that problem.

He also said, he would stop spending the trillions the U.S. been giving to countries around the world to build up democracies and fight terrorism. He said the OPEC nations should be paying for that, not the U.S.

He's said that those trillions should be spent in the U.S., rebuilding our infrastructure, and putting Americans to work. If he does those things, it will signal to Putin that Trump is not playing the NWO racket. That could go a long way to easing tensions between Russia and the U.S.

Trump has said that working together with Russia on crushing ISIS should be the way to do things. Will he be able to bridge that gap and get us working together with Russia in Syria to crush ISIS? We can only wait and see.


Again, not seeing how pulling the US influence around the world back is going to do anything but shift tensions further onto the smaller counties and abandoned allies. And I doubt Russia or OPEC will welcome seizing oil fields to pay for fighting ISIS.


He didn't say he was going to abandon them. He said, America was not going to pay for it anymore. He's said in the past, that with OPEC reimbursing the U.S. for it's costs, the U.S. could continue it's operations in those places, but he said those operations would be in cooperation with Russia.

He also said, that he was going to bomb the hell out of ISIS, so it's not like he's completely leaving these countries to fend for themselves.
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Posted 29 days ago

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He didn't say he was going to abandon them. He said, America was not going to pay for it anymore. He's said in the past, that with OPEC reimbursing the U.S. for it's costs, the U.S. could continue it's operations in those places, but he said those operations would be in cooperation with Russia.

He also said, that he was going to bomb the hell out of ISIS, so it's not like he's completely leaving these countries to fend for themselves.


I'm sure he'll cheerlead great, won't do those countries any good. Won't do the people in humanitarian crisis any good either.

Bombing requires coordination with Russian and other international forces operating in the area, and some sort of ground game to make sure any ground gained is kept. Things Obama is already doing, and has been rocky at best. Should Trump turn America's back on the atrocities happening to the Syrian people by the Syrian government and Russia, it's going to be an even bigger black eye to America and send Russia the signal that they have four more years to pull that crap.
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I'm sure he'll cheerlead great, won't do those countries any good. Won't do the people in humanitarian crisis any good either.

Bombing requires coordination with Russian and other international forces operating in the area, and some sort of ground game to make sure any ground gained is kept. Things Obama is already doing, and has been rocky at best. Should Trump turn America's back on the atrocities happening to the Syrian people by the Syrian government and Russia, it's going to be an even bigger black eye to America and send Russia the signal that they have four more years to pull that crap.


Obama's already doing what? lol

Rocky at best....yeah, because rocks have been most of what the usa has bombed over there, lol


Repeating more propaganda about the chemicals....check yo facts, its the local useful tools that serve as parts of ISIS that were given that stuff. Assad is well enough liked in Syria. Go look and see who Serena Shim was, who Syrian girl is, and listen to what they're saying and you see its completely opposite of what CNN says.

Alllllll about that pipeline that OPEC wants to put through Syria, that's the real geostrategic play here, open your eyes.
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Obama's already doing what? lol

Rocky at best....yeah, because rocks have been most of what the usa has bombed over there, lol


Repeating more propaganda about the chemicals....check yo facts, its the local useful tools that serve as parts of ISIS that were given that stuff. Assad is well enough liked in Syria. Go look and see who Serena Shim was, who Syrian girl is, and listen to what they're saying and you see its completely opposite of what CNN says.

Alllllll about that pipeline that OPEC wants to put through Syria, that's the real geostrategic play here, open your eyes.


Disregarding the US fight against ISIS and painting a conspiratorial excuse for leaving it to Russia still leaves other countries at odds with the Russian military buildup at odds. Peace is not won by hiding behind walls.
Posted 28 days ago

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RaisedInACult wrote:

Obama's already doing what? lol

Rocky at best....yeah, because rocks have been most of what the usa has bombed over there, lol


Repeating more propaganda about the chemicals....check yo facts, its the local useful tools that serve as parts of ISIS that were given that stuff. Assad is well enough liked in Syria. Go look and see who Serena Shim was, who Syrian girl is, and listen to what they're saying and you see its completely opposite of what CNN says.

Alllllll about that pipeline that OPEC wants to put through Syria, that's the real geostrategic play here, open your eyes.


Disregarding the US fight against ISIS and painting a conspiratorial excuse for leaving it to Russia still leaves other countries at odds with the Russian military buildup at odds. Peace is not won by hiding behind walls.


Love the gutted context of "russian military buildup" - is it that difficult to paint a remotely honest picture of the situation?

Like all agreements the us gov makes, it broke its agreement to not build up and encroach (a should be defunct thing of the past) NATO all over its borders and keep offering breakoff countries membership, not to mention outright coup'ing of a neighboring government like the us did in Ukraine.

Its amusing seeing liberal-progressives reach the stage of supporting warmongering.
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Shhhhh. That's too truthful.
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Love the gutted context of "russian military buildup" - is it that difficult to paint a remotely honest picture of the situation?

Like all agreements the us gov makes, it broke its agreement to not build up and encroach (a should be defunct thing of the past) NATO all over its borders and keep offering breakoff countries membership, not to mention outright coup'ing of a neighboring government like the us did in Ukraine.

Its amusing seeing liberal-progressives reach the stage of supporting warmongering.


How dare NATO offer membership to sovereign countries Russia still wanted their fingers in. How dare they react to Russian military movements. How dare the people of Ukraine want to open up trade with the EU.

Russia testing boundaries of how far it can rebuild the Soviet Union is going to build tensions regardless of US presence. Shrinking from the world stage does not strengthen US ties with allies, encourage democratic rule, or strengthen bargaining positions for the US. Turning the country's back on the world won't stop conflicts.
Posted 28 days ago

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How dare NATO offer membership to sovereign countries Russia still wanted their fingers in. How dare they react to Russian military movements. How dare the people of Ukraine want to open up trade with the EU.

Russia testing boundaries of how far it can rebuild the Soviet Union is going to build tensions regardless of US presence. Shrinking from the world stage does not strengthen US ties with allies, encourage democratic rule, or strengthen bargaining positions for the US. Turning the country's back on the world won't stop conflicts.


Its called having presidential level meetings and signing treaties an such together, ffs!

Wanted their fingers in, go ahead and try to qualify some and we can take a measure of what the real story is and not what your propaganda tells you, e.g. Georgia.

Ukraine went with Russia's deal. Or did you forget that's what happened right before the US led coup that magically decided to go with the EU's trade offer?

teh fook??? I know you dont want to believe the us gov helped coup the gov over in ukraine, but we have a penchant for regime change and there's quite a few ways to do it, if you want me to go dig up the pictures of the blackwater etal mercenaries over there during the whole thing, I'll go do it, they whipped up the neo nazis an used them like ISIS, but heck no that's not a story YOU'VE read!!!

Being a wagged sword arm of the banking cartels is no way for a country to go through life, son. The US gov has been bankster bitch lackey for far too long, its time it, as well as the reign of terror across the planet, stopped.
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Posted 28 days ago

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Its called having presidential level meetings and signing treaties an such together, ffs!

Wanted their fingers in, go ahead and try to qualify some and we can take a measure of what the real story is and not what your propaganda tells you, e.g. Georgia.

Ukraine went with Russia's deal. Or did you forget that's what happened right before the US led coup that magically decided to go with the EU's trade offer?

teh fook??? I know you dont want to believe the us gov helped coup the gov over in ukraine, but we have a penchant for regime change and there's quite a few ways to do it, if you want me to go dig up the pictures of the blackwater etal mercenaries over there during the whole thing, I'll go do it, they whipped up the neo nazis an used them like ISIS, but heck no that's not a story YOU'VE read!!!

Being a wagged sword arm of the banking cartels is no way for a country to go through life, son. The US gov has been bankster bitch lackey for far too long, its time it, as well as the reign of terror across the planet, stopped.


Blackwater banker conspiracies, oh my. Time to hide behind a wall.
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Posted 28 days ago , edited 28 days ago
A "peaceful" solution is not a good solution you know. We could have made peace with Hitler back then. In my honest opinion, I don't trust Putin and I want peace but I don't trust Putin to keep that peace. Sometimes you need to stand up to a bully and that's what Putin is. Especially after the attempted coup in Montenegro that they "had nothing to do with." Right sure he didn't.
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While I am all for normalizing relations with Russia, as we have nothing to benefit from having strained relations, I hope that, if this is accurate, that it wouldn't aid Putin's expansionist policies. While an argument could be made for the Crimea, sovereign nations are being threatened by Putin's government, and we can't let the continue.
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