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Posted 23 days ago

nanikore2 wrote:

I thought it was an okay time.

But I really had no idea how the presidency was.

I don't think people here do, either.

[Please read at least four paragraph blocks in the following link before responding. That's only 15% of the article... I don't think it's too much to ask even in this age of zero attention span]

http://www.vqronline.org/essay/reagan-retrospect


For people who don't want to go to any site, the first 15% of the article:


Excuse me but you smeared feces all over my screen, starting right after the sentence: "For people who don't want to go to any site, the first 15% of the article:"

Oh, and your link leads to the world's largest dump truck that's spent the last 25 years picking up all the poop in every bull ring in the world, and despite being overflowing with fecal matter, still hasn't been emptied.

That article is filled with lies and distortions. Every single source listed had an axe to grind against Reagan. It is a biased hit piece. It twists and distorts facts, and ignores everything favorable to Reagan.

Some of the facts ignored:
The humor and courage he showed when shot, the line he said to the doctors before they started working on him that he hoped they were all Republicans, which caused laughs, smiles and respect, as the surgical crew realized that Reagan was trying to put them at ease.
It ignores the success he had as governor of California.
It completely ignores the economic realities he inherited from the Carter administration and ignores the economic success of the last 5 years of his administration. Note how it doesn't mention the unemployment rate that existed when he left office.
It ignores his refusing to blink when negotiating with Gorbachev, which later resulted in a better deal.
It ignores the fact that he had to deal with a Democratic Congress during his entire administration, and that Congress is the place where money is approved.
It ignores the fact that his policies are what caused the Soviet Union to collapse.
It ignores the fact that Reagan responded personally to many of the letters people sent to him, and that he often personally sent money to people in need.
It ignores that he completely rebuilt America back into a superpower, but it was his policies that led to America being the unchallenged superpower in the world for decades.
It ignores the restoration of pride in America that he brought.
It's labeling of leadership as being a "figurehead" is an out and out lie.
And that's just for starters.

Reagan restored America from the disaster of Carter. He ended runaway inflation and runaway interest rates. He defeated the Soviet Union (seriously, you think it's a coincidence that the collapse of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall only happened months after he left office? Only a damn dishonest fool could ignore such facts). Reagan brought Democracy and freedom to more people than anyone has ever done in history. He set the course that caused the liberation of Eastern Europe, dismantled the Soviet Union and even gave Russia a chance at democracy.

There's an old tale of a group of blind men who form their opinion of an elephant, solely based on the part they felt. It's like a tree trunk, says the one who felt the leg, a wall says the one who felt the side, a snake says the one who felt the trunk, a spear says the one who felt the tusk.

This article is like that, except that its describing the elephant's anus during the act of defecation...and the writer of this article isn't blind.
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Posted 23 days ago

nanikore2 wrote:


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Hey what do you want people voted for him because he made good on his puffery. Now we may or may not have a similar situation in our hands, but whatever i stopped giving a damn about this country for a long time and this is just icing on the cake.


Compared to Reagan, Trump is genius.

Read the article.


As a CEO he at knows how budgets and finances work.
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Posted 23 days ago

Rujikin wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:


Adjacent-Taurus wrote:

Hey what do you want people voted for him because he made good on his puffery. Now we may or may not have a similar situation in our hands, but whatever i stopped giving a damn about this country for a long time and this is just icing on the cake.


Compared to Reagan, Trump is genius.

Read the article.


As a CEO he at knows how budgets and finances work.


And as a private businessman, he knows how to do them without checks and balances that won't let you do what you want.

(In business, you're only stopped AFTER you're caught.)
Posted 23 days ago
funny reading the Young Republican talking points above

they always go crazy if you malign reagan in any way shape or form (deserved or not)

you can thank him for the stupid 55mph speed limit here forever
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Posted 23 days ago

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nanikore2 wrote:
Depending on what one thinks, Trump could be:

a) much better than Reagan because he puts on an even better act, and actually has some clues about certain things and is capable of much more actual deal-making

b) much worse than Reagan because he puts on an even better act, and actually has some clues about certain things and is capable of much more actual damage


Reagan was not only an actor--and knew how NOT to embarrass himself on a live mike or camera at all times--he also had political experience.
He had been president of the Screen Actor's Guild (a political rehearsal for any actor getting ready for California politics), but had also cleaned up as governor of California.
He had Jimmy Carter's (and Ted Kennedy's) uncertainty to make him look that much more polished in the 1980 campaign, but with or without ideas, he at least came prepared to every debate.

Trump's not Reagan.


I think you should go through the article. Reagan was really bad at even processing any information given to him.
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lawdog wrote:
Some of the facts ignored:
The humor and courage he showed when shot, the line he said to the doctors before they started working on him that he hoped they were all Republicans, which caused laughs, smiles and respect, as the surgical crew realized that Reagan was trying to put them at ease.



Pretty sure that is unconfirmed and probably untrue. Just to nitpick.
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nanikore2 wrote:

I think you should go through the article. Reagan was really bad at even processing any information given to him.


Well, the comparison was, he was polished enough not to fly off the handle, throw conniptions and start showing his true colors when cornered at debates...
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lawdog wrote:



I stopped reading the 2nd time you mentioned excrement. Bye! *waves*


Ejanss wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

I think you should go through the article. Reagan was really bad at even processing any information given to him.


Well, the comparison was, he was polished enough not to fly off the handle, throw conniptions and start showing his true colors when cornered at debates...


Flying off the handle was also part of the Campaign Trump

Even some Muslims saw the Campaign Trump as the Campaign Trump

http://time.com/4259372/donald-trump-muslim-supporters/

I'm going to wait and see just exactly how much of everything is and isn't Campaign Trump

That in itself makes it an interesting show for me

Gonna cook up some pop corn, I'm gonna be watching


Rujikin wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:


Adjacent-Taurus wrote:

Hey what do you want people voted for him because he made good on his puffery. Now we may or may not have a similar situation in our hands, but whatever i stopped giving a damn about this country for a long time and this is just icing on the cake.


Compared to Reagan, Trump is genius.

Read the article.


As a CEO he at knows how budgets and finances work.


During his acceptance speech he basically said that America would be looking out for... America, while still "treating other countries fairly"

Well, that's a flat out truism... Every country is look'in out for number one... but I find it strangely refreshing that he's putting that card face up smack at the center of the table


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He left half the country convinced that trickle down economics would work... It doesn't. There is neither a Correlation, nor Causation that giving tax breaks to corporations will make them pay their employees more.


Based on how little Reagan knew of anything and everything I really doubt that he himself came up with that.
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I found myself recently wondering who Reagan would have voted for if he was alive today. I'm honestly convinced it would not have been Trump. It just seems like the Republican party has been forced to regrettably settle with a candidate that is so unlike their idealized purveyor of Reaganomics and a return to "The Reagan Years" that they've been striving for.
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JustineKo2 wrote:

I found myself recently wondering who Reagan would have voted for if he was alive today. I'm honestly convinced it would not have been Trump. It just seems like the Republican party has been forced to regrettably settle with a candidate that is so unlike their idealized purveyor of Reaganomics and a return to "The Reagan Years" that they've been striving for.


.....although it was all the people around Reagan that actually made the "Reagan Years".

A good argument could be made that it may be likely that it's the people around Trump that would make the "Trump Years" also, though not to the degree that people around Reagan made the "Reagan Years"
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Posted 23 days ago

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


lawdog wrote:
Some of the facts ignored:
The humor and courage he showed when shot, the line he said to the doctors before they started working on him that he hoped they were all Republicans, which caused laughs, smiles and respect, as the surgical crew realized that Reagan was trying to put them at ease.



Pretty sure that is unconfirmed and probably untrue. Just to nitpick.


No, it's fact, unlike the biased intellectually dishonest hit piece that's been linked.

Time magazine includes it with a number of jokes he made throughout the ordeal and his recovery.

http://time.com/3752477/reagan-assassination-reaction/

And then there's the NY Times archive reporting of the shooting:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0330.html

As the second link shows, it wasn't known for many years how serious the shooting was, how close it actually came to taking Reagan's life.

Posted 22 days ago
I think its silly even talking about the assassination attempt without also mentioning the close family relationship between the Bushes and Hinckleys.
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Posted 22 days ago
How clever, you passed your class on the J. Goebbel's practical exam.
Posted 22 days ago

Jamming777 wrote:

How clever, you passed your class on the J. Goebbel's practical exam.


how ironic, I'm not the one parroting state sponsored propaganda

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I'll give you "state sponsored", but neither was J. Goebbel's until 1933, before that he was a failed aspiring author
and earned a Doctor of Philosophy degree from the University of Heidelberg.
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