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Posted 26 days ago

IHeartOhagi wrote:

For so many reasons! 1. He's going to finally do something about our borders 2. He's going to cut of some of the major trade deals that are putting our nation in debt. 3. He isn't promising people free stuff that they're NEVER EVER EVER going to get! 4. He's not a corrupt politic Even though, of course, I'm too young to vote, those would be some of the MAIN reasons.

Also, for the people who think, LETS BE NICE AND OPEN UP OUR BORDERS SO EVERYONE CAN GET HOUSING FOOD AND FREE EDUCATION!!!!! We have homeless and poorly educated people of our own. If we can't even provide decent housing, education, or good food for our own people, why should we take care of people who aren't even our own? Why give people food when we can't even provide food for are fellow brothers and sisters?

BTW: AMERICANS AREN'T IMMIGRANTS. our ancestors claimed this land by risking their lives for freedom. The Indians didn't OWN America. they just lived on the continent. WE OWN AMERICA WE'RE NOT IMMIGRANTS.

Also- did anyone know that one of the reasons the economy of Rome crashed was because they were trying to provide good education and food and shelter the the Gauls? They were immigrants. If you don't believe me, look it up.


While it can be considered weirdly true that Americans aren't "immigrants" in a modern sense (Forgot my reasoning), I don't think it is analogous to say that we didn't usurp the land rights of the natives because of the lack of paperwork they provided. In any case, I think the centuries repression and genocide are highly undue and unjustified, not that this advocates reparation, but rather acknowledgement in any case. White Americans are descendent of Europe on a more recent time scale compared to Natives, and although the natives may have usurped the land themselves, (Rather, their ancestors, but this is debatable), the fact that they live centuries on the land, leads me to believe it would be a dick move to kick them off, in the same way it would be a dick move to force white people today to toil for reparations.
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I will be the first to say we did treat the Indians like crap, understand that.
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Didn't vote for Trump (nor did I vote for wicked witch either) but I've been seeing LGBT rights and abortion popping up a lot lately, not just in this thread but in other topics too. I just want to say that Trump is very liberal on those issues compared to normal republicans. As mentioned on an earlier page in this thread, he's been a democrat for much of his life. Trump flipped on abortion throughout his campaign to pander to republicans. I doubt he actually meant it when he said he's against it. He's also said he favors exceptions (rape, injury to the mother, etc.) at one time. It's hard to tell what his exact position is since he's been all over the place, but I don't think he cares about overturning Roe v. Wade. LGBT rights might be similar. If we do see the Trump administration taking a hard stance against those issues, it would have be coming from Mike Pence. It depends on how much influence Pence will have. If he becomes Dick Cheney 2.0, then you guys can panick.

There are a lot things that worry me about Trump. These aren't any of them.
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since i'm pretty vocal about the Clinton Family.. they probably thought i was a trump supporter..

i didn't vote for Trump or Hillary..

but still i hate the entitled hypocrites that couldn't accept the election result

they laughed at Trump when he was claiming that the election might be rigged .. and then project veritas released undercover videos of voter fraud, bussing, etc.. from Hillary's side

it's hilarious-- they thought for sure that they will win until 1AM or so..

it shows how out of touch these people are

if you want a welfare state-- use your own money

don't go on bragging about how generous your side is when you are using other people's money to help the "needy"
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Posted 26 days ago

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I did not vote for Clinton or Trump, I did not buy into Hope and Change back in 2008 and I most certainly did not buy into Make America Great Again.


Oh, it is hard to hope, isn't it? After thinking "maybe Obama will change what's wrong" after he won, well, yea... I lived through the last 8 years too.
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Posted 26 days ago

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I did not vote for Trump or for Hillary. I didn't need to, because I'm from Texas, and our shit was locked in from day one.

However, I'm most looking forward to economic changes.

A lot of people don't know this, but the booming economy of the 90s had NOTHING to do with Bill Clinton, and everything to do with policies from the Reagan administration that were picking up steam with the economy into the 90s.

My point being, if you actually know what you're looking at and talking about when it comes to economics, our best chance to stop our economic suck is Trump.

Now, I also know that he was largely painted into a man he really is not for a good portion of the campaign. Truth be told, he was a Dem for most of his life, and is pretty liberal in that area. He was portrayed as a bigot but that simply isn't true, and his history pre-campaign is evidence of that.

As far as LGBT rights go, the only thing I think he'll change is the bathroom business, which I still think actually does need a closer examination. I think the current policy is stupid. Everything else is fine.

Yes, he is big on immigration, but it isn't immigrants that are the problem, but illegal immigrants. If you really support illegal immigration, you have no idea how bad it fucks up our nation.

Meanwhile, my other option was corrupt Hillary, who I knew would continue down our path to economic ruin, according to all I know of economics (Which I actually did study a bit in college). I knew she was also going to let the bathroom policy issue go as is (look, I simply think it needs to be changed to post-op transgender people ONLY. It's about anatomy, not what gender they identify with). I knew we were going to continue shelling out money for welfare that is less a hand-up and more a hand-out (I see no problem with people getting help from the government, but when that help keeps you in your situation, rather than helping people become self-sustaining, there's a problem).

I don't know. To me, I honestly just felt like Hillary was going to be more of the same, and couldn't vote for her. I could not make myself. Trump, I chose not to vote for, because I knew the state of Texas was going to lock him in anyway, and I didn't feel like I wanted my stamp of approval on him.

But, now we have Trump, so these are the things I hope for.


Me and my wife are getting her citizenship the proper way. Visa and through our gov. I hope he does not ruin this for us and many others. His wife got here the same way. If he does not change getting here legally (wife from Netherlands) i will trust trump

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I voted third party this time.

Although according to many people, that means I voted for Trump, and I should go die in a fire.

I feel the love.
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OK, so why I voted for Trump: Everything in his speech announcing his bid for the presidency. Everything in the "This will get Donald trump elected" video. Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton's voters. Barack Obama. The DOJ. Democrats in congress. CNN. NBC. CBS. BBC. The conglomerate of lefty newspapers. The celebrities that endorsed Clinton. The celebrities that condemned Trump. The celebrities that supported Trump. I guess Bill Maher deserves his own mention. Beyonce, Jayzee (sp?), etc... Voter fraud.

Some more important ones would be the Supreme Court, Racist and Sexist laws, protecting the 2nd amendment, hell - protecting the bill of rights, National Security (Russian relations, Islamic Terrorism, the spread of Communism, Illegal immigration), and so much more.

Oh yea, SJW's.

The list goes on, I'm sure, but in essence, as was said on another thread "A dead yak would be a better choice than Hillary Clinton."
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I absolutely understand that.

I feel like part of the problem here is that people don't truly understand how big a problem illegal immigration is in border states. And, because the whole nation can't see the impact first hand, they think there's an overreaction on our end.

People who come here legally are not the problem. I live in Texas, and it just gets stupid sometimes. it isn't even just the crime. I know a family of legal immigrants who own a fairly large local construction company and only hire Mexican workers. The problem is that at least half of those Mexican workers are illegal. Now, I know they're just trying to help people from their country or family, but that hurts our jobs. Then, most illegal immigrants send money back to Mexico. Those who have entire families here suck up benefits without paying taxes.

Then they turn around and bitch when people complain, as if we're racist. And, the worst part is that they have people like you scared, when the truth is what you and your wife are doing is a whole lot different and much better than crossing the border over and over, after being deported multiple times. You aren't dodging taxes, you aren't sucking up benefits while not paying into those taxes, and you are trying to become an American, not support a foreign nation from within our, which is essentially what many of these immigrants are doing, and those who aren't are still dodging income taxes.

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Posted 26 days ago

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I absolutely understand that.

I feel like part of the problem here is that people don't truly understand how big a problem illegal immigration is in border states. And, because the whole nation can't see the impact first hand, they think there's an overreaction on our end.

People who come here legally are not the problem. I live in Texas, and it just gets stupid sometimes. it isn't even just the crime. I know a family of legal immigrants who own a fairly large local construction company and only hire Mexican workers. The problem is that at least half of those Mexican workers are illegal. Now, I know they're just trying to help people from their country or family, but that hurts our jobs. Then, most illegal immigrants send money back to Mexico. Those who have entire families here suck up benefits without paying taxes.

Then they turn around and bitch when people complain, as if we're racist. And, the worst part is that they have people like you scared, when the truth is what you and your wife are doing is a whole lot different and much better than crossing the border over and over, after being deported multiple times. You aren't dodging taxes, you aren't sucking up benefits while not paying into those taxes, and you are trying to become an American, not support a foreign nation from within our, which is essentially what many of these immigrants are doing, and those who aren't are still dodging income taxes.



I hope that is the case and it won't affect us doing it the proper way.
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Well, if you're worried, actually review his immigration policies. Pretty much, they all target those who completely disregard any legal way of entering the country.

For example, when caught BACK in the US illegally, after being deported the first time, you get punished, not just tossed back out.

I mean, there's also the halt of Muslim immigrants, but that's a temporary measure until better solutions are found, which has always been Trump's position.

My point to all this: I can understand having disagreements in policy, but don't fall for Democratic attempts to spread Trump fear. It's quite possible that Trump will royally suck as President. However, on the same token, it's outright stupid to believe half of the claims being made against him. Just as stupid as it was when people had fears of Obama entering office.

This is pretty much standard, the opposing side has you so terrified of the other that when they get into office what you believe they will do is actually FAR worse than what they actually do.

Again, we saw the very same thing with President Obama, and I'd wager we'll see the same thing in another 8 years. Because fear is effective, even when it's unwarranted.
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IHeartOhagi wrote:

For so many reasons! 1. He's going to finally do something about our borders 2. He's going to cut of some of the major trade deals that are putting our nation in debt. 3. He isn't promising people free stuff that they're NEVER EVER EVER going to get! 4. He's not a corrupt politic Even though, of course, I'm too young to vote, those would be some of the MAIN reasons.

Also, for the people who think, LETS BE NICE AND OPEN UP OUR BORDERS SO EVERYONE CAN GET HOUSING FOOD AND FREE EDUCATION!!!!! We have homeless and poorly educated people of our own. If we can't even provide decent housing, education, or good food for our own people, why should we take care of people who aren't even our own? Why give people food when we can't even provide food for are fellow brothers and sisters?

BTW: AMERICANS AREN'T IMMIGRANTS. our ancestors claimed this land by risking their lives for freedom. The Indians didn't OWN America. they just lived on the continent. WE OWN AMERICA WE'RE NOT IMMIGRANTS.

Also- did anyone know that one of the reasons the economy of Rome crashed was because they were trying to provide good education and food and shelter the the Gauls? They were immigrants. If you don't believe me, look it up.


Did your parents tell you these things? I find this to be absolute nonsense. I am Native American.. and whatever your parents told you is just a pretty lie to cover up the truth. Your parents don't want to be seen as immigrants because they been here for "awhile" and don't want to be seen as foreign. Just because the Europeans were more advanced and documented everything does not mean the land didn't belong to the Natives. The Europeans would have NEVER survived without the Natives so remember that. And how do we get our thanks? Our people killed, THOUSANDS of people. And guess what? Its still happening today. Today Natives are protesting the Dakota Access Pipeline from putting a pipeline through the Missouri river because of potential harm to the water supply they depend on. There is an army out there and they are killing Natives. The Natives are protesting peacefully might I add but the troops are hosing them down, letting dogs loose on them, firing rubber bullets at them, tasering them, pepper spraying them, and they even have snipers. They are not only attacking the men but also the women and children. And a girl 11 years old was shot DEAD by a sniper, a man from Dallas Texas. So live in your fairy tale that you and your family aren't immigrants and that Trump will be the best president because my people and I know better.

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Well, if you're worried, actually review his immigration policies. Pretty much, they all target those who completely disregard any legal way of entering the country.

For example, when caught BACK in the US illegally, after being deported the first time, you get punished, not just tossed back out.

I mean, there's also the halt of Muslim immigrants, but that's a temporary measure until better solutions are found, which has always been Trump's position.

My point to all this: I can understand having disagreements in policy, but don't fall for Democratic attempts to spread Trump fear. It's quite possible that Trump will royally suck as President. However, on the same token, it's outright stupid to believe half of the claims being made against him. Just as stupid as it was when people had fears of Obama entering office.

This is pretty much standard, the opposing side has you so terrified of the other that when they get into office what you believe they will do is actually FAR worse than what they actually do.

Again, we saw the very same thing with President Obama, and I'd wager we'll see the same thing in another 8 years. Because fear is effective, even when it's unwarranted.


I live in Chicago so I can't say i see it is that you see being on the border.. My comments on this can only be thin but I don't disagree on punishing and taking benefits away from illegals. I guess maybe it is the fear that has been put into me and my wife. She is not Muslim. Just straight good ol Dutch from Europe. So I hope and believe it won't affect us.

I hope what he decides to do works. I hope he is an amazing president. I don't want the ship I'm on and bringing my wife on to sink. I just love her and we both have put a lot of effort into getting her here properly and don't want it messed with now. We are at the end half of the process.

So to top it off tell me.. You really think they take jobs from citizens or just jobs no one wants and won't accept a smaller pay rate?

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So to top it off tell me.. You really think they take jobs from citizens or just jobs no one wants and won't accept a smaller pay rate?



They take jobs from citizens. There's no job that is that bad, that no American will do it. The difference is they WANT to work under the table, because they are legal. Most Americans WANT to work legally, so they can get benefits. So, illegal immigrants do the same jobs for under the table cash, which comes out cheaper for the employers. The belief that Mexican's work for $5 per hour at hard manual labor is bullshit. My former boss paid illegal Mexicans $100 per day for manual labor. I made $8 per hour (starting pay) for the same man in an office job.

EDIT: In between jobs, I also worked the same $100 per day labor, hard manual labor. I have no problem doing the work, but the problem is that I still have to pay taxes, at the end of the day. They don't.
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A chance to give a beautiful middle finger to the political establishment who has done nothing but to help outsource jobs and rack up debt the past few decades.

Our standards of livings are slowly decaying, maybe Trump fixes things or maybe he doesn't, but either way both parties will no longer be able to completely ignore the working and lower middle class' economic plight.
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