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Posted 25 days ago

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Mate in my opinion every single citizen of Germany that wasn't actively opposing the Third Reich were either cowards or actual fucking Nazis.



You could say something similar about all the Syrian refugees fleeing to europe instead of fighting.





I have actually mate, it got me a temp ban awhile back.
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Those look like soldiers, not Nazis. I mean, yeah; we've always labeled soldiers & authorities of the Third Reich as "the Nazis", but still there is a difference.


Mate in my opinion every single citizen of Germany that wasn't actively opposing the Third Reich were either cowards or actual fucking Nazis. The Wehrmacht soldiers and Luftwaffe pilots claimed to be helpless draftees, fucks sake son you lot outnumbered the so called loyal SS by a literal metric ton of infantry,armour, and planes. It never occurred to you to turn those guns of yours on the lot so called forcing you to toss people into ovens ?

Either they were cowards or actually agreed with Hitler's madness there is no middle ground.

Well, what I meant by "difference" was that Nazism was more of a political action, and the Wehrmacht was the military itself. Erwin Rommel comes to mind, too; he was a high-ranking soldier in the Third Reich, as we all know, but he was a good man. In fact, his disagreements with the Third Reich's policies put his life at risk, as well as his family's lives.

Come to think of it, there was a guy, Stauffenberg, who pulled off Operation Walküre, which was a plot to kill Hitler, but it failed. Regretfully, I only know if it because I saw the 2008 movie based on it (Valkyrie).

By all means, you can believe what you want. I've thought that way about Nazism myself. But over time I've come to believe that things weren't as black-and-white as we've been presented...plus, personally, I refuse to be emotionally riled-up about it like I was when I was younger. I'm not saying the Third Reich were the good guys or anything; they were our enemy, and their victory would've lead to world domination, and people like you and me would probably have been rounded up to be put in concentration camps.

I guess, based on what I said, and based on how you perceive it....maybe they were cowards. I don't know.
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Posted 25 days ago

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:



Mate in my opinion every single citizen of Germany that wasn't actively opposing the Third Reich were either cowards or actual fucking Nazis.



You could say something similar about all the Syrian refugees fleeing to europe instead of fighting.





conveniently ignores all the photos and video of women and children that are refugees...
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Posted 25 days ago , edited 25 days ago

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Serious answer: No. Never. Nazi ideology is inherently evil.



I agree. I was just joking.


Nazis are never ok no matter what! Either way just the extreme left doing whatever they can to make themselves look bad and promote the opposite side in politics as that's the only thing this will lead to. The left never learns, this is pretty much the same reason why Trump got elected


There are differences between new left and neo nazism. New left is basically about helping minorities and welfare, even if helping can make the society crumble because of ethical reasons, thats atleast what the frankfurt school says, the one which influenced the new left which was started in 60s and 70s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left
Neo nazis some likely can be joking and some believe in the superiority of western culture and is basically against foreign interests.

I dont know what to pick honestly.
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Well, what I meant by "difference" was that Nazism was more of a political action, and the Wehrmacht was the military itself. Erwin Rommel comes to mind, too; he was a high-ranking soldier in the Third Reich, as we all know, but he was a good man. In fact, his disagreements with the Third Reich's policies put his life at risk, as well as his family's lives.

Come to think of it, there was a guy, Stauffenberg, who pulled off Operation Walküre, which was a plot to kill Hitler, but it failed. Regretfully, I only know if it because I saw the 2008 movie based on it (Valkyrie).

By all means, you can believe what you want. I've thought that way about Nazism myself. But over time I've come to believe that things weren't as black-and-white as we've been presented...plus, personally, I refuse to be emotionally riled-up about it like I was when I was younger. I'm not saying the Third Reich were the good guys or anything; they were our enemy, and their victory would've lead to world domination, and people like you and me would probably have been rounded up to be put in concentration camps.

I guess, based on what I said, and based on how you perceive it....maybe they were cowards. I don't know.


Well I guess since most of the Germans of that generation are either dead or so old it doesn't matter anymore getting worked up over a historical fact is a bit much. It's just I don' think Nazism should be anymore then an objective lesson. Tolerating it's existence in this day and age is I believe unforgivable. Letting Neo Nazis freely and openly declare their belief shouldn't be a thing. Indeed such faith should be the one persecuted with extreme prejudice. After all the last time we let such filth be 63 million people ended up paying the price.
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Posted 25 days ago

ran76 wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:



You could say something similar about all the Syrian refugees fleeing to europe instead of fighting.





conveniently ignores all the photos and video of women and children that are refugees...


The children could be made an argument of but how are the women any less responsible for the welfare of their homeland then the men? This is the 21st century women aren't damsels in distress anymore. They are citizens with the same duty as any other citizen.

And as for the children do you think the Polish , French, and Dutch Resistances let the welfare of their families stop their opposal of the Third Reich. Are we to say the Syrians have less courage then the others?
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Posted 25 days ago

Ranwolf wrote:


ran76 wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:



You could say something similar about all the Syrian refugees fleeing to europe instead of fighting.





conveniently ignores all the photos and video of women and children that are refugees...


The children could be made an argument of but how are the women any less responsible for the welfare of their homeland then the men? This is the 21st century women aren't damsels in distress anymore. They are citizens with the same duty as any other citizen.

And as for the children do you think the Polish , French, and Dutch Resistances let the welfare of their families stop their opposal of the Third Reich. Are we to say the Syrians have less courage then the others?


It is is a power struggle I imagine between two less than stellar groups who cannot effective govern without major human rights violation. I cannot blame them. One is propped up by the US at points and the other by terrorist groups.
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It is is a power struggle I imagine between two less than stellar groups who cannot effective govern without major human rights violation. I cannot blame them. One is propped up by the US at points and the other by terrorist groups.


There is always a third option, they could form yet another faction of their own. I am sure the US would love a faction more palatable to western sensibilities then the one they are currently supporting. Or at the very least they could try something more respectable then running like chicken shit cowards.
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Posted 25 days ago , edited 25 days ago

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It is is a power struggle I imagine between two less than stellar groups who cannot effective govern without major human rights violation. I cannot blame them. One is propped up by the US at points and the other by terrorist groups.


There is always a third option, they could form yet another faction of their own. I am sure the US would love a faction more palatable to western sensibilities then the one they are currently supporting. Or at the very least they could try something more respectable then running like chicken shit cowards.


That's not practical. It is like forming a third party in a political system. Especially with regards to the funding, and let us face it, this type of situation would be more prone to a total display of anarchy mirroring Somalia. It isn't so easy to create a society when everyone is holding a gun to each others head.

If it was so easy the US would've sponsored sponsored the rebels or some third faction instead, but I don't think it ever worked before. It irresponsible, leads to quite a bit of deaths, and accomplishes nothing. Can't think of the example though, was it Vietnamization or something?
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That's not practical. It is like forming a third party in a political system. Especially with regards to the funding, and let us face it, this type of situation would be more prone to a total display of anarchy mirroring Somalia. It isn't so easy to create a society when everyone is holding a gun to each others head.

If it was so easy the US would've sponsored sponsored the rebels or some third faction instead, but I don't think it ever worked before. It irresponsible, leads to quite a bit of deaths, and accomplishes nothing. Can't think of the example though, was it Vietnamization or something?


Mate my country is governed quite effectively by our three party system. Would you call Canada a hell hole like Somalia?

As for it being not easy, couldn't be further from the truth. It's just the choices we would have to make as Western Powers wouldn't be pretty, Syria and by extension the entire Middle East isn't something that is going to resolve itself or resolve quickly even with direct intervention. Just cause a solution requires well lets be frank here bloodshed doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

We are partially responsible for the condition the Middle East is in, it's our duty to be more hands on and boots on the ground about the whole affair. At the same time we have to teach the locals some backbone, after all we can't be around forever and they have to learn to govern themselves.
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Posted 25 days ago , edited 25 days ago

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conveniently ignores all the photos and video of women and children that are refugees...


You mean refugee 'children' ?



Or kids like this with the brave father threatening to dash his baby's head on the ground if the border police don't let him through.


There is one photo I forgot to save of several photographers swarming a couple of kids, the only kids out of maybe fifty adult men, wish I could find it, but alas my google fu is not strong enough
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Posted 25 days ago , edited 25 days ago

Deyre wrote:
I was just joking.


Given how confusing many of your posts are, it's very hard for us to tell. And also, given the volatile nature of discussion when the subject of Nazis and Neo Nazis comes up, it's very poor judgment to start a thread with such a subject line even as a joke.

Furthermore, although I thought the original version of your opening post had some actual substance, the current version that it seems you edited, has very little.


I watched news that protestors threw Bengal lights on them.


This makes sense. It's a good start for a thread on the general subject of neo Nazism or specific related events in Sweden.


Does that mean i can become bisexual twice if i join it... I wanna join it O.O.... Let me gay up the neo nazi group and lets be conservatives in Sweden.


This does not make sense. Why are you even saying this.

That's it for what's currently in the opening post, so I've closed the thread since it seems like you just wanted to say bizarre, possibly offensive things, and did not make any discussion point very clear.

However in this later post you write:


There are differences between new left and neo nazism. New left is basically about helping minorities and welfare, even if helping can make the society crumble because of ethical reasons, thats atleast what the frankfurt school says, the one which influenced the new left which was started in 60s and 70s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left
Neo nazis some likely can be joking and some believe in the superiority of western culture and is basically against foreign interests.

I dont know what to pick honestly.


I could swear that part of that was in your original opening post. And though still a bit confusing it gave more of an impression that you actually wanted to discuss something. [ETA: I remembered incorrectly; that's what you wrote as the opening post in the "Do you think Trump will end the new left" thread.]

If you want your threads to stay open, please don't use them for insensitive jokes and please make more effort to connect the ideas in your opening post in a cohesive way that can be more easily comprehended. I think I do not speak just for myself when I say that I find your stream-of-consciousness approach difficult to respond meaningfully to.
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