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Which probably means Amazon will get the worldwide license... Still, I hope they'll give it to Daisuke because Amazon is being a pain. Without giving credit-card details you can't even see what's in their catalogue. You have to sign up for their free trial just to see if it's worth the hassle...
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Which probably means Amazon will get the worldwide license... Still, I hope they'll give it to Daisuke because Amazon is being a pain. Without giving credit-card details you can't even see what's in their catalogue. You have to sign up for their free trial just to see if it's worth the hassle...


Not exactly. If Sentai licenses something that goes on Anime Strike, it goes on HIDIVE for the rest of the countries served by Sentai. But nevertheless, it's a bummer that this is happening, but with Sentai they need whatever money they can get, and if it means getting those big paychecks from Amazon, then that's what they'll do.
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Not exactly. If Sentai licenses something that goes on Anime Strike, it goes on HIDIVE for the rest of the countries served by Sentai. But nevertheless, it's a bummer that this is happening, but with Sentai they need whatever money they can get, and if it means getting those big paychecks from Amazon, then that's what they'll do.



Which wouldn't be a bad thing cause amazon seems to have a tendency of not keeping their simulcasts up to date, some of their licenses can be 2 or more episodes behind.
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Not exactly. If Sentai licenses something that goes on Anime Strike, it goes on HIDIVE for the rest of the countries served by Sentai. But nevertheless, it's a bummer that this is happening, but with Sentai they need whatever money they can get, and if it means getting those big paychecks from Amazon, then that's what they'll do.


I'd never heard of HIDIVE before. But I went and had a look around at their website. I can't even register so I'm guessing Europe isn't on their list. Unless their website is having a bad day or something... Is there a list of countries they serve? I searched but couldn't find one.
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[W]hich leads to my second question, why cannot God work miracles through ways that are already scientifically explained?


Given humanity's woefully limited scientific knowledge (we have no idea what 96% of the universe is made of) God could be acting well within the realms of scientific explanation but it's a knowledge so far above ours it might as well be magic. Imagine how a Neanderthal would react to a car or view targeted gene therapy. And if the universe continues to expand as projected in billions of years our records of a universe filled with other galaxies would seem like madness as the universe will have spread so far and at such a rate only the Milky Way would be visible. (Or whatever the resulting galaxy is called after the Milky Way and Andromeda merge.)


I agree.
My point was that unnatural is more of a term for personal standards for normality if anything else. After all, if something is truly unnatural, it would not have happened, or would basically be impossible. Just because something does not agree with a current science does not mean it is not. It is still a "natural phenomenon", simply because it exists, or is made possible through circumstances that allow it.

Might depend if you go with "naturally occurring" or "possible by nature". I go with the latter in reference to science, which can be roughly encompassing of many elements of our existence....I think.

In a sense, this is a contradiction in of itself with a focus on the meaning of words.




Not a criticism, just a question: If miraculous isn't defined as "Impossible by any means other than divine intervention", how is it defined?

Equally curious about in actual religion as about in the show.

"Highly unlikely by any means other than divine intervention"?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


domvina wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
[W]hich leads to my second question, why cannot God work miracles through ways that are already scientifically explained?


Given humanity's woefully limited scientific knowledge (we have no idea what 96% of the universe is made of) God could be acting well within the realms of scientific explanation but it's a knowledge so far above ours it might as well be magic. Imagine how a Neanderthal would react to a car or view targeted gene therapy. And if the universe continues to expand as projected in billions of years our records of a universe filled with other galaxies would seem like madness as the universe will have spread so far and at such a rate only the Milky Way would be visible. (Or whatever the resulting galaxy is called after the Milky Way and Andromeda merge.)


I agree.
My point was that unnatural is more of a term for personal standards for normality if anything else. After all, if something is truly unnatural, it would not have happened, or would basically be impossible. Just because something does not agree with a current science does not mean it is not. It is still a "natural phenomenon", simply because it exists, or is made possible through circumstances that allow it.

Might depend if you go with "naturally occurring" or "possible by nature". I go with the latter in reference to science, which can be roughly encompassing of many elements of our existence....I think.

In a sense, this is a contradiction in of itself with a focus on the meaning of words.




Not a criticism, just a question: If miraculous isn't defined as "Impossible by any means other than divine intervention", how is it defined?

Equally curious about in actual religion as about in the show.

"Highly unlikely by any means other than divine intervention"?


It is based on what the real life Vatican to my knowledge does, but my sources may have misinterpreted it for various reasons. Essentially, they research the veracity of miracles to determine if there is any scientific explanation for it, as well as connections to the religion such as praying to a Saint or his likeness on a bedside portrait. If there is no scientific explanation, it supposedly builds a strong case for a miracle alongside prayers of those associated.

My only problem is that it may require an unknown scientific explanation beyond what science can usually explain now, and the implication that a deity can't work his miracles through natural and scientifically versed phenomenon.

To sum it up, we may be able to figure out how the illness regressed later on, and it is foolhardy to assume that a lack of an explanation means there is no other explanation. Science may not be that advance enough, and I doubt we reached the pinnacle of knowledge at this point.

And that whatever deity that exists can't just use scientific phenomenon to do so, even in situations outside of said control.

This talk of "unnatural" confuses me when applied to things that happened in the real world. Unnatural is a word that isn't well defined, but often used in a context implying a lack of high probably or impossibility (His behavior is unnatural) when honestly, it seems that if it weren't natural, it wouldn't have happened.

Nature and by extension unnatural aren't well defined or ill defined in my view, and it is perhaps why I am criticizing the definition in its relation to what constitutes a miracle, alongside the nature of discoveries waiting to be made.

What the Vatican Roman Catholic Church does is quite interesting and incredibly in depth for its research apparently.
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This is actually what the Vatican actually does. They try to determine if there is no scientific feasibility to any known explanation, and chalk it up to God, science and all.

Although, two things. If it happens, there is a science behind it, a cause and effect, all things assuming. Your cancer did not disappear on its own, something must have happened to cause a regression, even if it isn't known to us or by science, in which case, we should attribute it to a fact that we do not know and establish it as some scientific possibility then a "God given one" (Which does not nullify the science aspect I believe, as the two may not be incompatible, especially with God being typically portrayed a propagator and creator of all), which leads to my second question, why cannot God work miracles through ways that are already scientifically explained?

Science is just the study and theorizing about the "Whys" of the world in general, and everything can be asked with "Why" can usually be considered Science, or something. I am pretty ignorant of what I just said.

My main point being "Why are miracles and known scientific phenomenons have to be mutually exclusive? They are not from what it appears, unless you redefine nature and natural itself."


Actually, science usually sticks to the "hows" and has little to do with the "whys".

But to answer your question, there are two senses of the word "miracle". The first one, the general sense, is merely something "wonderful", as in something that causes us humans to experience awe and wonder. Tons of natural phenomenon fall into this category. Catholics consider all of creation to be a miracle in this sense, even though we believe that God achieved creation through mostly natural methods. (Aside from the supernatural feat of causing existence to exist in the first place.) The second sense of the word "miracle" is more specific and is defined more or less as an event wherein God's power acts directly on the world rather than through one of the natural systems he created.

The Catholic Church researches claims of miracles in this sense so as to keep its members from falling into the error of believing that something is a miracle when it is not. It also investigates claims of miracles connected with causes for canonization of Saints.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

This is actually what the Vatican actually does. They try to determine if there is no scientific feasibility to any known explanation, and chalk it up to God, science and all.

Although, two things. If it happens, there is a science behind it, a cause and effect, all things assuming. Your cancer did not disappear on its own, something must have happened to cause a regression, even if it isn't known to us or by science, in which case, we should attribute it to a fact that we do not know and establish it as some scientific possibility then a "God given one" (Which does not nullify the science aspect I believe, as the two may not be incompatible, especially with God being typically portrayed a propagator and creator of all), which leads to my second question, why cannot God work miracles through ways that are already scientifically explained?

Science is just the study and theorizing about the "Whys" of the world in general, and everything can be asked with "Why" can usually be considered Science, or something. I am pretty ignorant of what I just said.

My main point being "Why are miracles and known scientific phenomenons have to be mutually exclusive? They are not from what it appears, unless you redefine nature and natural itself."


Actually, science usually sticks to the "hows" and has little to do with the "whys".

But to answer your question, there are two senses of the word "miracle". The first one, the general sense, is merely something "wonderful", as in something that causes us humans to experience awe and wonder. Tons of natural phenomenon fall into this category. Catholics consider all of creation to be a miracle in this sense, even though we believe that God achieved creation through mostly natural methods. (Aside from the supernatural feat of causing existence to exist in the first place.) The second sense of the word "miracle" is more specific and is defined more or less as an event wherein God's power acts directly on the world rather than through one of the natural systems he created.

The Catholic Church researches claims of miracles in this sense so as to keep its members from falling into the error of believing that something is a miracle when it is not. It also investigates claims of miracles connected with causes for canonization of Saints.


I always been told it was "Why" for research, and "How" for more practical applications, but it may depend on the discipline and their mottos. I am not quite sure then if there is ever a way to know if something is divine or miraculous when knowledge of most sorts are hardly proven with the utmost certainty.

That being said, I hope I do not offend anyone with my ignorance.

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Not exactly. If Sentai licenses something that goes on Anime Strike, it goes on HIDIVE for the rest of the countries served by Sentai. But nevertheless, it's a bummer that this is happening, but with Sentai they need whatever money they can get, and if it means getting those big paychecks from Amazon, then that's what they'll do.


I'd never heard of HIDIVE before. But I went and had a look around at their website. I can't even register so I'm guessing Europe isn't on their list. Unless their website is having a bad day or something... Is there a list of countries they serve? I searched but couldn't find one.


They serve English language markets (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa), Latin America, and the Nordic countries. But not every show is available in every region. The site is still in beta, so hiccups aren't that uncommon.
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They serve English language markets (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa), Latin America, and the Nordic countries. But not every show is available in every region. The site is still in beta, so hiccups aren't that uncommon.


The Netherlands isn't part of the Nordics so that explains it. Just one more title lost to Amazon... I suppose if they keep it up it'll become hard to ignore them even if they have the most annoying streaming service.....

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With only two volumes of the manga released, this will likely not be all that good but I want to see it anyway.
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