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Discussion thread in an attempt to have Safer Spaces in Nerdom
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Posted 11/13/16 , edited 11/14/16
11/14/2016 [Note from moderator: Unfortunately a lot of what has happened in this thread since its creation demonstrates why some people feel a need for safe space. However, this thread was not started with the intent of being a debate about safe space, but as a general discussion space for people to, as the opening post, invites, "talk freely about their fears and hopes without having to worry about being branded as whiny or militant."

At this time, I'm not sure the OP will be interested in returning to this thread where so much antagonism has already played out (especially as she has now started a group for a similar purpose), but I've reopened it on principle--it feels wrong to have it bullied into closure.

I've renamed the thread slightly to better reflect the original intent. We do have rules about being respectful toward others, and continued disruption or derailment of the conversation will be considered disrespectful. Posts will be removed; users may be banned. -- lorreen



I feel like there aren't a lot of spaces where anime-lovers that come from marginalized groups can feel safe. This site is very white male focused and not because people of color or women don't watch anime, but because just like everything else white men are the focus everywhere.

I want this thread to be a safe space, and allies are welcome. I've made this forum, not as a way to be divisive, but to simply give opportunities for minorities to talk freely about their fears and hopes without having to worry about being branded as whiny or militant which is something that often happens when non-allies and/or members of the majority are present in discussions such as these.

If you want the opportunity to vent, share, or simply to connect with others like you without judgment or fear getting in the way, come here.

Let's start light: What is your favorite anime and why? or How are you feeling today? How are you taking care of yourselves in these hard times?
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belladonnagrrl wrote:

I want this thread to be a safe space

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Let's start light: What is your favorite anime and why? or How are you feeling today? How are you taking care of yourselves in these hard times?


I understand your desire in creating this thread and I support your effort in bringing this forward in such a straightforward manner. CR cannot guarantee a complete "safe space" in such an open forum, but we do have a rule about treating other users respectfully, and moderators can be counted on to enforce that -- it does require that thread participants actively report posts which violate that rule.

I am personally disgusted that within just a few minutes after this thread was created, all the responses (aside from pansyforyourthoughts's) were essentially taunts in a seeming attempt to bash the very idea and to disrupt to an extent that it would make the thread not even viable.

I hope we can make it viable. I've made very minor alterations to the thread title and opening post, to make it more realistic in terms of degree of safety, and to remove a bit that seemed overly antagonistic.

I don't have a favorite anime -- I like lots of them and lots of different things. I was feeling pretty good today, until I saw the responses in this thread. That made me feel both ashamed by association, and angry.


pansyforyourthoughts wrote:

For reasons apparent from the posts above mine... it may be easier to try starting a group instead of a thread? I'd be willing to help with that, if you were interested. I would like a nice place to hang on this site, for sure. :)


I've deleted those posts, and I agree that for a real safe space a closed group would be better. But for visibility I like the idea of a thread where we can discuss issues related to marginalization and why having some safe spaces can be constructive and strengthening and not a space of "whiners," And other less serious things too.

ETA. Well, I guess I'm going to take that back about having the thread include discussion about reasons for safe spaces, because once that started it got pretty well derailed into rude responses and away from other types of discussion. I still think it's an interesting discussion, but I'm not longer encouraging it, lest we get bogged down in it.


BTW, due to a bug in the forums, some posts may appear above pansyforyourthoughts's that were not above hers when she posted.
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idk if OP watches anime.

because it's not catered just to "white men" but to all men. in particular, i'd say Asian boys and guys tbh. You can disagree with me, but people who are Asian know what i'm talking about.

it's not a secret, nor a lie, nor is it even embarrassing to anyone (surprisingly) that women in anime are depicted as tools (not even objects anymore :D).

I kinda agree with OP, but it's such a lost cause. Anime itself is derogatory towards women (of all ages btw you're not even safe if you're 6, there's "Lolita" for that).
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favorite anime..,can't say i have one in particular, but i really enjoyed Is the Order a Rabbit, Aikatsu!, all precure series (doki doki never happened), idolmaster, idolmaster cg, love live, aurora dream. currently watching Aikatsu Stars! and Mahou Tsukai (it's taking a while, but i'm catching up). i'm feeling ok. pretty happy with my latest gacha draw in Alternative Girls. currently trying to get the main event SR in deresute...though i'm sure no-one here knows what i'm even talking about (the game is pretty fun, anyone who likes mobile rhtyhm game should definitely give it a try).

you could start a group, as suggested. you'd have complete control over who can join (even if it's made public, i think you can exclude / blacklist people you don't like). i wish you luck if you choose to make one.
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For reasons apparent from the posts above mine... it may be easier to try starting a group instead of a thread? I'd be willing to help with that, if you were interested. I would like a nice place to hang on this site, for sure.
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Posted 11/13/16

belladonnagrrl wrote:

I feel like there aren't a lot of spaces where anime-lovers that come from marginalized groups can feel safe. This site is very white male focused and not because people of color or women don't watch anime, but because just like everything else white men are the focus everywhere.

I want this thread to be a safe space, and allies are welcome. I've made this forum, not as a way to be divisive, but to simply give opportunities for minorities to talk freely about their fears and hopes without having to worry about being branded as whiny or militant which is something that often happens when non-allies and/or members of the majority are present in discussions such as these.

If you want the opportunity to vent, share, or simply to connect with others like you without judgment or fear getting in the way, come here.

Let's start light: What is your favorite anime and why? or How are you feeling today? How are you taking care of yourselves in these hard times?


" white men are the focus everywhere"
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Posted 11/13/16 , edited 11/14/16

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I totally agree with you, she should have thought about it before posting, considering what is going on and how safe spaces are thoroughly being mocked -and for good reason imo-
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I don't know how serious this is, but I hope everyone is comfortable discussing whatever they want around me. I've tried to keep my words soft enough so no one feels excluded. Feel free to say what you want in this thread or any other.
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redokami wrote:


Ejanss wrote:
[[post being responded to has been removed for condescending and disrespectful tone.]


I totally agree with you, she should have thought about it before posting, considering what is going on and how safe spaces are thoroughly being mocked -and for good reason imo-


I don't know what you think those good reasons are, but are you honestly saying that because something a person believes is being mocked, they should just shut up and, in effect, be cowed by the bullies?
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Thank you but I don't need a safe space just to talk about anime or my feelings.
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If we're giving this thread a go, my favourite anime is Revolutionary Girl Utena! I love the growth of Anthy and Utena's relationship, and the final episode is probably my favourite episode of... anything, and one of the more powerful endings in anime. Really well done. I am also very into Yuri!!! On Ice right now, and the director's previous work, Michiko to Hatchin.


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because it's not catered just to "white men" but to all men. in particular, i'd say Asian boys and guys tbh. You can disagree with me, but people who are Asian know what i'm talking about.

it's not a secret, nor a lie, nor is it even embarrassing to anyone (surprisingly) that women in anime are depicted as tools (not even objects anymore :D).

I don't know, there are a lot of anime series not directed at men. Shoujo and josei, particularly. But even shonen and seinen series sometimes have good portrayals of female characters. Fullmetal Alchemist is a great example. Even if it were all kind of trashy harem stuff, though, everyone has their guilty pleasures and it's fun to talk about them with like-minded people. I have watched slightly over 200 bad zombie movies, so I really can't judge people's tastes.
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I'm not mocking you, but stating an opinion:

I think safe spaces are for weak individuals who were never taught to face criticism. I think this thread is insulting to your own emotional intelligence, as a human being. I think that you have a lot of growing up to do. I think that none of that has anything to do with the fact that you're black female.

My favorite anime of all time is a movie, actually. Wolf Children. It's actually a really good watch about a mother's sacrifice to give her children the opportunity to be who they want to be.

And, for anyone who thinks anime as a whole is sexist, racist, fillintheblankist... that's probably because you're watching shitty anime that's targeted at a male teenage audience, which happens to be the largest in terms of anime viewers. If you'll start watching the anime that's targeted to other demographics, they'll start making more of it.

And, that's not any form of bigotry, that's business.
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lorreen wrote:


redokami wrote:


Ejanss wrote:
[[post being responded to has been removed for condescending and disrespectful tone.]


I totally agree with you, she should have thought about it before posting, considering what is going on and how safe spaces are thoroughly being mocked -and for good reason imo-


I don't know what you think those good reasons are, but are you honestly saying that because something a person believes is being mocked, they should just shut up and, in effect, be cowed by the bullies?


that isn't what im saying
what im saying is because of the "im offended" by everything generation people cant handle virtually anything anymore, and by creating "safe spaces" that is not going to help either, you are avoiding the problem instead of trying to fix it
and a lot of the problems we have today is because of that, you are segregating yourself, -black safe spaces- -women safe spaces- you are gonna be near white people, and males, your whole life, and its pretty stupid if you try to avoid that, instead of trying to address the issue, nothing gets resolved if it is avoided
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I'd also like to point out that this thread, if you look at the sub-title, is directly discriminating against white cis straight males. It says, "If you are a POC, woman, queer, or a minority in anyway, come join the discussion. Allies welcome too :)"

I mean, I'm not a smart man, but that seems like an '-ism' to me. "If you aren't a minority and don't believe minorities are being oppressed you can't play with us!"

Can I start a thread for white cis straight males and 'allies' now? No? No? I mean, I wouldn't in the first place, because A.) I don't believe in this line of thinking and B.) I'm not an asshole OR a moron, and both of those seem almost like requirements at this point.
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