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Discussion thread in an attempt to have Safer Spaces in Nerdom
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Posted 19 days ago

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Me calling out the inherent and blatant heterosexism and racism I've seen in the forums is not discriminatory. White men are welcome. However you're behavior on this forum is a true testament for why safe-spaces are needed. Some of us would like to be able to speak OUR minds without having to assimilate, without being harassed, and without white people contorting a message to be all about them again (i.e. white tears). I also declared that men, regardless of their ethnicity/color, should not hijack this thread and turn it into an opportunity to spout hateful comments and complain about how hard it is to be a man and how women are sexist for calling them sexist.

The more you post messages that are essentially telling me to "F*** my safe space!," the more you make yourself look silly and intolerant.


Yup. Not racism at all.

I think this thread is a joke, but it has nothing to do with your color, sex, sexual preference, age, or religion.

But, this post of yours is the punchline in that joke.
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Posted 19 days ago

belladonnagrrl wrote:

Me calling out the inherent and blatant heterosexism and racism I've seen in the forums is not discriminatory. White men are welcome. However you're behavior on this forum is a true testament for why safe-spaces are needed. Some of us would like to be able to speak OUR minds without having to assimilate, without being harassed, and without white people contorting a message to be all about them again (i.e. white tears). I also declared that men, regardless of their ethnicity/color, should not hijack this thread and turn it into an opportunity to spout hateful comments and complain about how hard it is to be a man and how women are sexist for calling them sexist.

The more you post messages that are essentially telling me to "F*** my safe space!," the more you make yourself look silly and intolerant.


Do you mind giving examples of this blatant heterosexism and racism?

I've felt no inclination to assimilate and I've always felt free to speak my mind despite being a minority in race and also being openly gay.

Since I can play the race and sexual orientation card, I can say that I agree with these "white men" who get annoyed by the idea of safe spaces where you exclude people based on superficial things such as gender or race.

I didn't choose to be gay, and I didn't choose to be a minority race, and people on this forum didn't choose to be a man, neither did they choose to be white.

That's why people are opposed to safe spaces, because you're essentially discriminating against people based on things they can't control and saying that they don't have a voice.

If anything, instead of creating safe spaces, why don't we just stop judging each other because of their race, sexual orientation, gender, and basically anything else that people have absolutely zero control over?



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Posted 19 days ago

belladonnagrrl wrote:

Me calling out the inherent and blatant heterosexism and racism I've seen in the forums is not discriminatory. White men are welcome. However you're behavior on this forum is a true testament for why safe-spaces are needed. Some of us would like to be able to speak OUR minds without having to assimilate, without being harassed, and without white people contorting a message to be all about them again (i.e. white tears). I also declared that men, regardless of their ethnicity/color, should not hijack this thread and turn it into an opportunity to spout hateful comments and complain about how hard it is to be a man and how women are sexist for calling them sexist.

The more you post messages that are essentially telling me to "F*** my safe space!," the more you make yourself look silly and intolerant.


By the way, instead of creating a thread, why not create a group?

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Your response is a Class-A example in silencing the voices of the disenfranchised. It's not just an opinion, it's research. It's not in my head, there are many people, those alike and unlike me that share the same sentiments.

I would educate you, but that would require a history lesson, a lecture on privilege, and for you to have at least an once of empathy.
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I did.
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Posted 19 days ago


Then why did you create a thread and try to establish it as a safe space? Why not just make a thread advertising the group in the appropriate section?
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Posted 19 days ago , edited 19 days ago

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Humms wrote:

White men being the main focus............. You don't say.

So all of that coming here to vent without being judged -_- k.......

No this is good, I like this. Maybe we can start talking about Yaoi, and How Yuri probably has an overall better market.


I dunno maybe thats just my judgement free opinion, My unbiased approach to creating my safe space for the Yuri market.

How bout that?????

I think yaoi has the lager market share in manga while yuri has it in anime


(Disclaimer Every gender likes to read books)

Of course it does, because Women like to read books/ Manga. They like to get into their fantasies on a personal level, just like collecting plushy's and posters, something they can hold on to. Men like to see that fluidity, that motion, they want it drawn out and presented to them in a way where we don't have to think about it we just watch, primitive but effective, which is why you see more Yuri than Yaoi in terms of animation, and also within the market overall.

I can get into better detail since this is my safe place
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Posted 19 days ago

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Then why did you create a thread and try to establish it as a safe space? Why not just make a thread advertising the group in the appropriate section?


Well that's because she wants to exclude any other elements that don't align to her views. Come on man did you even need to ask?
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Posted 19 days ago

belladonnagrrl wrote:

Your response is a Class-A example in silencing the voices of the disenfranchised. It's not just an opinion, it's research. It's not in my head, there are many people, those alike and unlike me that share the same sentiments.

I would educate you, but that would require a history lesson, a lecture on privilege, and for you to have at least an once of empathy.


Don't be shy, quote who you are talking about. I'm beginning to think you are just trolling.
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do you like, go to every profile and look at the ethnicity? if the person even has it showing? lol

when I talk to people on here I don't assume race gender etc, im talking to a person, so where do you get your facts that this site white male dominated
Posted 19 days ago

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do you like, go to every profile and look at the ethnicity? if the person even has it showing? lol

when I talk to people on here I don't assume race gender etc, im talking to a person, so where do you get your facts that this site white male dominated


I agree with you on the whole "I just talk to people regardless of what race gender they are" on here.

I'm also quite curious how they got that statistic.
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Posted 19 days ago

belladonnagrrl wrote:

Your response is a Class-A example in silencing the voices of the disenfranchised. It's not just an opinion, it's research. It's not in my head, there are many people, those alike and unlike me that share the same sentiments.

I would educate you, but that would require a history lesson, a lecture on privilege, and for you to have at least an once of empathy.


You see, this is why people don't agree with you and people who think similarly to you about the need for safe spaces.

You're dismissing the opinions of people based on the race, gender, or sexual orientation because if they're not with you they're against you. Not only that, but you're putting your ideas out there and trying to get everyone to align to them while dismissing everyone you disagree with as a racist, sexist, or homophobe.

Just because someone is a certain gender or race doesn't mean their opinions don't matter, and to think they don't matter because of such superficial things is extremely racist and sexist.

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Posted 19 days ago , edited 19 days ago

redokami wrote:
that isn't what im saying
what im saying is because of the "im offended" by everything generation people cant handle virtually anything anymore, and by creating "safe spaces" that is not going to help either, you are avoiding the problem instead of trying to fix it
and a lot of the problems we have today is because of that, you are segregating yourself, -black safe spaces- -women safe spaces- you are gonna be near white people, and males, your whole life, and its pretty stupid if you try to avoid that, instead of trying to address the issue, nothing gets resolved if it is avoided


While I think having a little nicer world overall all the time wouldn't be a bad thing, it's not my impression that "Safe Space" is intended to be a replacement for the world at large for all time. It's more a temporary or limited space retreat that, like some kind of club or group retreat, has a purpose of providing an opportunity for focus and building and strengthening that is difficult or impossible to achieve in more general space, or might even have a purpose of offering a reprieve for relaxation or contemplation.

I went to an all-women's college, and while I always did have mixed feelings about that, and felt it did have some distinct drawbacks, part of the mission of the school in staying all-women even after most schools in the area had gone co-ed was to give an opportunity for leadership and achievement in an environment free from some of the potential difficulties of doing so in a co-ed environment. It was to help us build confidence and be stronger once we did graduate and found our space in the working world. And while attending, it's not like we were completely sheltered; we did socialize and work away from school, and generally lived in the real world.

I know the value of such an environment can be really difficult to understand, and the idea that some groups of people might need some separate, somewhat protected, space sometimes can make those outside of those groups feel defensive, but I also feel it's very important to at least accept that there is something to other people's perception and perspective even if we don't personally experience it and can't easily understand it.


belladonnagrrl wrote:

Me calling out the inherent and blatant heterosexism and racism I've seen in the forums is not discriminatory. White men are welcome. However you're behavior on this forum is a true testament for why safe-spaces are needed. Some of us would like to be able to speak OUR minds without having to assimilate, without being harassed, and without white people contorting a message to be all about them again (i.e. white tears). I also declared that men, regardless of their ethnicity/color, should not hijack this thread and turn it into an opportunity to spout hateful comments and complain about how hard it is to be a man and how women are sexist for calling them sexist.

The more you post messages that are essentially telling me to "F*** my safe space!," the more you make yourself look silly and intolerant.


Just nodding in agreement here. The way some folks have come into this thread and stomped about and gotten all blustery or condescending is a pretty good example of why more controlled, "safer" spaces can be important. Sometimes we want to focus on positive, constructive conversation and not be in battle all the time.
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Posted 19 days ago , edited 19 days ago
It's now unlocked. I have deleted a few posts.

I do want everyone to respect this as a safer-space thread and to avoid becoming combative. Several people have been very polite in their responses, even though they don't necessarily agree with the OP about safe-space, and that is the kind of tone I expect everyone to proceed with.

The thread is not here for the purpose of debating whether or not safe space or safe-space threads are good or evil, necessary or unnecessary, so let's please move on and stop focusing on that. What I gather from the opening post is that it should be a general discussion thread, as stated for people "to talk freely about their fears and hopes without having to worry about being branded as whiny or militant." Please respect that, and if you can't, don't post in this thread.
Posted 19 days ago

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I am going to put this out there.

I don't like Ghibli movies I know all true anime fans are suppose to pay homage at the altar of Miyazaki but I find his work boring


Don't worry fam
I'm in the same boat as you
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Posted 19 days ago , edited 19 days ago
As someone who is interested in this discussion as well, we want to give this thread a chance but the personal attacks thrown in by multiple people are definitely not conducive to a safe environment that we are searching for (re: my post about safe place for EVERYONE). Again, we're going to take the time to assess the situation and give people some time to cool down.
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Posted 19 days ago , edited 19 days ago

belladonnagrrl wrote:

I feel like there aren't a lot of spaces where anime-lovers that come from marginalized groups can feel safe. This site is very white male focused and not because people of color or women don't watch anime, but because just like everything else white men are the focus everywhere.

I want this thread to be a safe space, and allies are welcome. I've made this forum, not as a way to be divisive, but to simply give opportunities for minorities to talk freely about their fears and hopes without having to worry about being branded as whiny or militant which is something that often happens when non-allies and/or members of the majority are present in discussions such as these.

If you want the opportunity to vent, share, or simply to connect with others like you without judgment or fear getting in the way, come here.

Let's start light: What is your favorite anime and why? or How are you feeling today? How are you taking care of yourselves in these hard times?



A lot of that may have to do with the way how anime is marketed. In Japan, box sets are sold for outrageous prices and the success of a show is dependent on how many hardcore Otaku dump money into DVD sets. As a Westerner, it seems bizarre, but it sure explains the large amount of ecchi and moe that frequently floods a given season.

While I can understand OPs frustration, imo such a line of thinking will only cripple you in the real world. Once you leave the walls of University culture, you will realize that so called safe spaces do not exist in work culture and that alternative (and even toxic) viewpoints are prevalent, not being able to emotionally deal with such things will only make life more difficult in the long run.

If you want to fight discrimination, join an organization can supports such a cause (i.e. ADL, NAACP, etc.), get out there and educate people current problems marginalized groups face and implement actions that will remedy this.
Once again, you cannot block out opinions that are not in line with your own forever. There are reasons why even people like current US President Obama are against them, because once we all stop talking to each other we stop debate and sever any chance of progress.

Safe space culture is almost the opposite of what was achieved in the west during the period of Enlightenment. People started logically debating things, alternative religious viewpoints were finally accepted, woman where given more respect and alternative viewpoints were given a platform.

Just leaving my two cents on the topic here. Best of luck in your thread, but understand that many of our opposition to so called safe spaces/safe space culture has more to do with the ending of dialogue and not to do with the promotion of hate.
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