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Discussion thread in an attempt to have Safer Spaces in Nerdom
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Posted 11/13/16 , edited 11/13/16
Given the eroding state of GD over the course of this election cycle I can easily understand where the op would get that impression of CR.

I would also say that anyone who does not understand the idea of a safe space ( and I mean an actual one, not what the alt right imagines them to be ) has lived a fortunate life. There is nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with passing judgement on the not so fortunate from your position. Your life is not is everyone else's and not everyone else is you. Demanding they be like you or feel the same way you do is contributing to the problem you're opining against.

Safe spaces aren't about you. If women want a safe space from men or minorities want a safe space from white people or LGBT want a safe space from hetero people that is not a personal insult against you just because you happen to be male, white or straight. And you think that certainly you have never done anything to a woman, minority or LGBT person. It's not about you as an individual. So don't take it as a slight against you as an individual.

If someone has spent their entire life being barked at and bitten by dogs you could surely understand why they wouldn't want to be around dogs all the time. And why they wouldn't appreciate you bringing a dog to their dog free park and saying "Hey, MY dog isn't like that. Really!".

On the other hand, if safe spaces upset you because you feel like you are being excluded from a special club or that you have the right to be there regardless? Well then get the fark over yourself. Your attitude is part of the problem to begin with.

TL;DR: It's not about you.





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A place where humans do not judge does not exist. You started out by doing so.

My current favorite anime is probably Magi.

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runec wrote:

Given the eroding state of GD over the course of this election cycle I can easily understand where the op would get that impression of CR.

I would also say that anyone who does not understand the idea of a safe space ( and I mean an actual one, not what the alt right imagines them to be ) has lived a fortunate life. There is nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with passing judgement on the not so fortunate from your position. Your life is not is everyone else's and not everyone else is you. Demanding they be like you or feel the same way you do is contributing to the problem you're opining against.

Safe spaces aren't about you. If women want a safe space from men or minorities want a safe space from white people or LGBT want a safe space from hetero people that is not a personal insult against you just because you happen to be male, white or straight. And you think that certainly you have never done anything to a woman, minority or LGBT person. It's not about you as an individual. So don't take it as a slight against you as an individual.

If someone has spent their entire life being barked at and bitten by dogs you could surely understand why they wouldn't want to be around dogs all the time. And why they wouldn't appreciate you bringing a dog to their dog free park and saying "Hey, MY dog isn't like that. Really!".

On the other hand, if safe spaces upset you because you feel like you are being excluded from a special club or that you have the right to be there regardless? Well then get the fark over yourself. Your attitude is part of the problem to begin with.

TL;DR: It's not about you.







Can I have a safe space against minorities and women? I don't want one. But could I?
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runec wrote:

Given the eroding state of GD over the course of this election cycle I can easily understand where the op would get that impression of CR.

I would also say that anyone who does not understand the idea of a safe space ( and I mean an actual one, not what the alt right imagines them to be ) has lived a fortunate life. There is nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with passing judgement on the not so fortunate from your position. Your life is not is everyone else's and not everyone else is you. Demanding they be like you or feel the same way you do is contributing to the problem you're opining against.

Safe spaces aren't about you. If women want a safe space from men or minorities want a safe space from white people or LGBT want a safe space from hetero people that is not a personal insult against you just because you happen to be male, white or straight. And you think that certainly you have never done anything to a woman, minority or LGBT person. It's not about you as an individual. So don't take it as a slight against you as an individual.

If someone has spent their entire life being barked at and bitten by dogs you could surely understand why they wouldn't want to be around dogs all the time. And why they wouldn't appreciate you bringing a dog to their dog free park and saying "Hey, MY dog isn't like that. Really!".

On the other hand, if safe spaces upset you because you feel like you are being excluded from a special club or that you have the right to be there regardless? Well then get the fark over yourself. Your attitude is part of the problem to begin with.

TL;DR: It's not about you.







Can I have a safe space against minorities and women? I don't want one. But could I?


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I feel like there aren't a lot of spaces where anime-lovers that come from marginalized groups can feel safe. This site is very white male focused and not because people of color or women don't watch anime, but because just like everything else white men are the focus everywhere.

I want this thread to be a safe space, and allies are welcome. I've made this forum, not as a way to be divisive, but to simply give opportunities for minorities to talk freely about their fears and hopes without having to worry about being branded as whiny or militant which is something that often happens when non-allies and/or members of the majority are present in discussions such as these.

If you want the opportunity to vent, share, or simply to connect with others like you without judgment or fear getting in the way, come here.

Let's start light: What is your favorite anime and why? or How are you feeling today? How are you taking care of yourselves in these hard times?


Count me in.
I don't have a single particular favorite anime, but I like Saiunkoku Monogatari, Akatsuki no Yona, Akagami no Shirayukihime, Kamisama Hajimemashita, etc.
I'm ok, decided to take a break from work and see what's going on in the forums.
In these hard times, I keep my head up. I push people out my way. I get rid of people who are not valuable or important to me, and I do not associate with people who I do not find worth my time. Saves me a lot of grief.



runec wrote:

Given the eroding state of GD over the course of this election cycle I can easily understand where the op would get that impression of CR.

I would also say that anyone who does not understand the idea of a safe space ( and I mean an actual one, not what the alt right imagines them to be ) has lived a fortunate life. There is nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with passing judgement on the not so fortunate from your position. Your life is not is everyone else's and not everyone else is you. Demanding they be like you or feel the same way you do is contributing to the problem you're opining against.

Safe spaces aren't about you. If women want a safe space from men or minorities want a safe space from white people or LGBT want a safe space from hetero people that is not a personal insult against you just because you happen to be male, white or straight. And you think that certainly you have never done anything to a woman, minority or LGBT person. It's not about you as an individual. So don't take it as a slight against you as an individual.

If someone has spent their entire life being barked at and bitten by dogs you could surely understand why they wouldn't want to be around dogs all the time. And why they wouldn't appreciate you bringing a dog to their dog free park and saying "Hey, MY dog isn't like that. Really!".

On the other hand, if safe spaces upset you because you feel like you are being excluded from a special club or that you have the right to be there regardless? Well then get the fark over yourself. Your attitude is part of the problem to begin with.

TL;DR: It's not about you.


Your post makes complete sense. Even if OP is newer, I sensed myself how the content on GD section had been slowly disintegrating. A lot of the subject matter doesn't relate to everyone. The jokes, and verbal jabs, I didn't get.

I would totally be for the "safe space", because I'm sure there are a lot of things I would feel free to say without being berated for my opinion. When one has to deal with micro-aggression and other forms of exclusivity in real life, it would be great to be around others who understand your experiences and frustrations, without having to offend and trigger the same type/group of people that oppress you.
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HolyDrumstick wrote:
Can I have a safe space against minorities and women?


I see my point was lost on you. >.>

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Can I have a safe space against minorities and women? I don't want one. But could I?


Safe spaces have always been around. In therapy, our bedrooms, at the bottom of a flask--perhaps that field right outside the school doors. People naturally seek refuge from exclusion, threat, and ridicule.

That being said those refuges do not always exist and nor should people's sentiments always be catered to--especially if doing so places a burden upon others that is particularly imbalanced. The only disservice such spaces offer otherwise is to the person who abuses them to shelter themselves from all criticism. I don't really see why I, personally, ought to concern myself with that considering how much humans do that in various manners.

A simple thread is a simple demand--that clearly could not be met.

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runec wrote:

Given the eroding state of GD over the course of this election cycle I can easily understand where the op would get that impression of CR.

I would also say that anyone who does not understand the idea of a safe space ( and I mean an actual one, not what the alt right imagines them to be ) has lived a fortunate life. There is nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with passing judgement on the not so fortunate from your position. Your life is not is everyone else's and not everyone else is you. Demanding they be like you or feel the same way you do is contributing to the problem you're opining against.

Safe spaces aren't about you. If women want a safe space from men or minorities want a safe space from white people or LGBT want a safe space from hetero people that is not a personal insult against you just because you happen to be male, white or straight. And you think that certainly you have never done anything to a woman, minority or LGBT person. It's not about you as an individual. So don't take it as a slight against you as an individual.

If someone has spent their entire life being barked at and bitten by dogs you could surely understand why they wouldn't want to be around dogs all the time. And why they wouldn't appreciate you bringing a dog to their dog free park and saying "Hey, MY dog isn't like that. Really!".

On the other hand, if safe spaces upset you because you feel like you are being excluded from a special club or that you have the right to be there regardless? Well then get the fark over yourself. Your attitude is part of the problem to begin with.

TL;DR: It's not about you.



Considering that we're trying to end racism, sexism, and homophobia, I'm pretty sure it's a step in the wrong direction to start segregating everyone into separate groups.

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Humms wrote:

White men being the main focus............. You don't say.

So all of that coming here to vent without being judged -_- k.......

No this is good, I like this. Maybe we can start talking about Yaoi, and How Yuri probably has an overall better market.


I dunno maybe thats just my judgement free opinion, My unbiased approach to creating my safe space for the Yuri market.

How bout that?????

I think yaoi has the lager market share in manga while yuri has it in anime



The yuri market in anime and manga is by far much smaller, unless you are counting undertones. Yuri manga and Yaoi manga for both are drastically larger market shares than anime, they have extremely little selection in anime, if there is a prominent contrast I would bet heavily on Yaoi being larger than Yuri.

If counting undertones that's accounting for every moe series made ever, in which case Yuri has undoubtedly the larger market share, but I don't consider vague psuedo-romantic undertones actual yuri or yaoi.
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Dogempire wrote:
Considering that we're trying to end racism, sexism, and homophobia, I'm pretty sure it's a step in the wrong direction to start segregating everyone into separate groups.



I also agree.

I see it as a surrender to the majority of deplorable behaviors that currently litter GD. Could use more voices.



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Current fav anime is planetarian. Something about scene direction of the male protagonist coming to terms with loneliness, paranoia in a worst-case environment and learning tolerance while in the presence of a limited functioning AI whose sole purpose seemed to be a greeter during happier, more sane times at a planetarium. I won't spoil the show for you if you haven't watched it. Very poignant. I sobbed through the last episode.

Highly recommend.......over on Funimation website
Hard copy release is out but is Japanese with no English subtitles (Amazon.co.jp). Limited edition to be released 2/2017 with the planetarian Movie also. I have that on PO even though I can't understand spoken Japanese much less read such subtitles. The show affected me that much.
Posted 11/13/16
Let's see I'm hispanic and poor.
favorite anime, SAO
I'm feeling shitty today


freely talking, I am afraid of all these liberals protesting, their violence scares me.
The new weed law that was passed, scares me, now there could be more smokers that could be threatening to my health with second hand smoke.



Posted 11/13/16
Part of the problem with "safe spaces" is that everyone has their own idea of what a "safe space" is. Who decides exactly what is considered safe speech and what is not? It all boils down to censorship in my book.
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ClothStatue wrote:

The yuri market in anime and manga is by far much smaller, unless you are counting undertones. Yuri manga and Yaoi manga for both are drastically larger market shares than anime, they have extremely little selection in anime, if there is a prominent contrast I would bet heavily on Yaoi being larger than Yuri.

If counting undertones that's accounting for every moe series made ever, in which case Yuri has undoubtedly the larger market share, but I don't consider vague psuedo-romantic undertones actual yuri or yaoi.

it's sometimes hard to tell between yuri and yuri bait or Shoujo Ai such as Sasameki Koto and Aoi Hana (both great show)
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runec wrote:

Given the eroding state of GD over the course of this election cycle I can easily understand where the op would get that impression of CR.

I would also say that anyone who does not understand the idea of a safe space ( and I mean an actual one, not what the alt right imagines them to be ) has lived a fortunate life. There is nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with passing judgement on the not so fortunate from your position. Your life is not is everyone else's and not everyone else is you. Demanding they be like you or feel the same way you do is contributing to the problem you're opining against.

Safe spaces aren't about you. If women want a safe space from men or minorities want a safe space from white people or LGBT want a safe space from hetero people that is not a personal insult against you just because you happen to be male, white or straight. And you think that certainly you have never done anything to a woman, minority or LGBT person. It's not about you as an individual. So don't take it as a slight against you as an individual.

If someone has spent their entire life being barked at and bitten by dogs you could surely understand why they wouldn't want to be around dogs all the time. And why they wouldn't appreciate you bringing a dog to their dog free park and saying "Hey, MY dog isn't like that. Really!".

On the other hand, if safe spaces upset you because you feel like you are being excluded from a special club or that you have the right to be there regardless? Well then get the fark over yourself. Your attitude is part of the problem to begin with.

TL;DR: It's not about you.


I apologize if this is unfairly challenging your opinion, but didn't we have a lot of safe spaces once upon a time? You know, the whole "dog free park" kind of thing you described, but applying to types of people. Was it really alright?

But, I do agree that it sucks to throw out an opinion and immediately get lambasted for it. If the "banned" lettering next to usernames is anything to go by, a few people certainly need to tone it down. Having a smaller group of people can certainly help with dialing that back, too.
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