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Posted 27 days ago

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1. Traitors working with ISIL will soon be waterboarded and locked up permanently.
2. Americans are waking up and watching raw footage of the government at work and contacting their representatives for answers, instead of relying on false interpretations by fake news networks.
3. Real manufacturing power will be returning to the USA.

You said three things, but there's a lot more. Great treatment of our military and law enforcement, definitely.


I am not sure our situation is dire enough to switch to the utilitarian supported torture, but that is just me. I generally do not support it seeing as I do not trust ANY governing power with it.
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Posted 27 days ago

Kavalion wrote:
1. Traitors working with ISIL will soon be waterboarded and locked up permanently.

2. Americans are waking up and watching raw footage of the government at work and contacting their representatives for answers, instead of relying on false interpretations by fake news networks.

3. Real manufacturing power will be returning to the USA.

You said three things, but there's a lot more. Great treatment of our military and law enforcement, definitely.


1. Writing ISIL's recruitment propaganda for them.

2. If by work you mean "Incessant whining about losing a popularity contest".

3. By starting trade wars with your 3 largest trading partners and picking a dude that outsourced his company's jobs overseas as labour secretary.





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1.Draining the swamp of the career politicians who have fallen out of touch with the American People

2.Getting the Illegal immigration problem under control once and for all.

3.Repealing Obamacare



1. Straight into his own cabinet.

2. By proposing throwing away billions and billions of tax payer dollars on a completely ineffective vanity project.

3. Without having an alternative solution.

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Posted 27 days ago

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Before someone is triggered about the thread, no this is not about gloating over the fact Trump won, at that I did not even Vote for Trump or Hillary.. I voted for Jerid Glasspoole. This is a challenge to see if you can name three good things about Trump being the president. 'because even if you hate him, you know their is some good about him being in office. If you like him then three reason why he was your pick for president.


I Will start.

1. The prevention of WW3. I am sure most of you already know Hillary and Russia did not get along at that she had plan to go all out war with Russia once she had won the election. By Trump beating her Russia did not only not become are enemies, he is joining Trump in a joint effort to destroy Isis once and for all.

2. Lower Tax for everyone Including new Businesses witch means a lot for people like me who is starting a new Business.

3. Building a Wall! Come one we need a wall! China has the great wall, America Needs the Make America Great again Wall.



Now it is your turn!


PS.. please stay one topic, and thanks you ahead of time.


Lower Tax isn't always a good thing.
Nor is a wall.

But WW3 Prevention......sure but at what cost we get global warming instead and America can't try to stop it since Trump doesn't believe in it.

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I am not sure our situation is dire enough to switch to the utilitarian supported torture, but that is just me. I generally do not support it seeing as I do not trust ANY governing power with it.


I believe it should be used if it is effective (experts seems to claim it is), but it needs to be transparent where we know when it was used as soon as possible, so we can make sure no one suffers needlessly. Our situation is very dire, however. Terrorist organizations have only grown more powerful, picking up vast numbers of ex-soldiers from destabilized countries in the Middle East, and infiltrating many countries while posing as refugees, not to mention simply radicalizing natives with communication of the ideology alone. They're getting stronger, not weaker, since 2001. That seems to be the consensus.
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1. Writing ISIL's recruitment propaganda for them.


They don't need help, they're making and spreading their own propaganda at an alarming rate. If you think that challenging them will only give them better propaganda, you're being very foolish. It's extremely necessary to strengthen rhetoric against radical Islam just like we had strong rhetoric challenging the USSR. It must be condemned.
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Posted 27 days ago

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I believe it should be used if it is effective (experts seems to claim it is), but it needs to be transparent where we know when it was used as soon as possible, so we can make sure no one suffers needlessly. Our situation is very dire, however. Terrorist organizations have only grown more powerful, picking up vast numbers of ex-soldiers from destabilized countries in the Middle East, and infiltrating many countries while posing as refugees, not to mention simply radicalizing natives with communication of the ideology alone. They're getting stronger, not weaker, since 2001. That seems to be the consensus.


Virtually nothing you just said here is true. Experts do not claim torture is effective. Quite the opposite. Its proven to be ineffective and unreliable before you even get to the horrifying moral implications. Torture is, by definition, needless suffering.

Terrorist organizations have not grown more powerful. ISIL is actually on the decline. Your chances of being killed by a foreign terrorist ( as opposed to a domestic white one ) are absurdly slim. Oh, and Trump's immigration ban doesn't actually cover any of the countries that any successful foreign terrorist attacks on US soil originated from.

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis

And before you get on me for Liberalz whatever the fuck. Cato is a right wing think tank.

As for radicalization and ideology. Do you know how to increase radicalization? Marginalize, isolate and oppress a specific group. Guess what Trump is doing? >.>



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Posted 27 days ago

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They don't need help, they're making and spreading their own propaganda at an alarming rate. If you think that challenging them will only give them better propaganda, you're being very foolish. It's extremely necessary to strengthen rhetoric against radical Islam just like we had strong rhetoric challenging the USSR. It must be condemned.


Torturing them will for sure give them better propaganda as will any steps you take that target Muslims as a group. The narrative these groups use is that Islam is under attack. They are being persecuted at home and abroad by the West. That this is a holy war between Islam and the West. Sinking down to their level and confirming their propaganda narrative HELPS them.

The USSR's message against the US was generally that you were heavily armed, imperialistic lunatics concerned more for oil and money than your own people. Had you started invading countries and seizing their oil ( as a certain orange dildo has suggested again ) you would have played right into that. The fiction would become fact.
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Marginalize, isolate and oppress a specific group. Guess what Trump is doing? >.>


Wrong. He's challenging radical Islamic terrorism, which Muslims need to condemn rather than allowing it to take root in their societies. Protecting the ideology and calling it oppression of them to challenge it is only giving it room to breathe.

As for torture, it will be up to the experts. If it isn't effective, sure, it doesn't need to be used. However, by experts, I mean the CIA, the people who have actually used it. And that's who will be making that decision, so that seems appropriate. Matthis doesn't think it's needed or effective enough, so that might be the decision, unless the CIA changes his mind.
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Posted 27 days ago

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runec wrote:
Marginalize, isolate and oppress a specific group. Guess what Trump is doing? >.>


Wrong. He's challenging radical Islamic terrorism, which Muslims need to condemn rather than allowing it to take root in their societies. Protecting the ideology and calling it oppression of them to challenge it is only giving it room to breathe.

As for torture, it will be up to the experts. If it isn't effective, sure, it doesn't need to be used. However, by experts, I mean the CIA, the people who have actually used it. And that's who will be making that decision, so that seems appropriate. Matthis doesn't think it's needed or effective enough, so that might be the decision, unless the CIA changes his mind.


I would try to understand it from the terrorist's view. I mean, logic rarely makes sense for such a person anyway, why go confirm things like actually torturing them?

I actually wouldn't call the CIA experts. Or competent, really.
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Kavalion wrote:


runec wrote:
Marginalize, isolate and oppress a specific group. Guess what Trump is doing? >.>


Wrong. He's challenging radical Islamic terrorism, which Muslims need to condemn rather than allowing it to take root in their societies. Protecting the ideology and calling it oppression of them to challenge it is only giving it room to breathe.

As for torture, it will be up to the experts. If it isn't effective, sure, it doesn't need to be used. However, by experts, I mean the CIA, the people who have actually used it. And that's who will be making that decision, so that seems appropriate. Matthis doesn't think it's needed or effective enough, so that might be the decision, unless the CIA changes his mind.


I would try to understand it from the terrorist's view. I mean, logic rarely makes sense for such a person anyway, why go confirm things like actually torturing them?

I actually wouldn't call the CIA experts. Or competent, really.




^^^ lol. remember when the cia legitly belived in mind control and studyed the hell out of it?

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my list

1 giving nukes to japan. if there is one country i trust with nukes,, its japan.

2 curb stomping north korea. cus some one gotta do it.

3 starting ww3/ cold war 2. all in all, last time america fought a REAL war we came out stinking rich or the undisputed world power.
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I would try to understand it from the terrorist's view. I mean, logic rarely makes sense for such a person anyway,


I think you're underestimating them. Look, how would you challenge a dangerous ideology like white supremacy? Maybe by talking about racism and condemning it over and over? And I do know that some white supremacists are banned from entering certain countries.

This isn't religious persecution, it's condemnation of a dangerous ideology, just like we would condemn white supremacy. Actually, radical Islam is extremely close to white supremacy in how it thinks.
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Posted 27 days ago , edited 27 days ago

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I would try to understand it from the terrorist's view. I mean, logic rarely makes sense for such a person anyway,


I think you're underestimating them. Look, how would you challenge a dangerous ideology like white supremacy? Maybe by talking about racism and condemning it over and over? And I do know that some white supremacists are banned from entering certain countries.

This isn't religious persecution, it's condemnation of a dangerous ideology, just like we would condemn white supremacy. Actually, radical Islam is extremely close to white supremacy in how it thinks.


I do not think waterboarding is analogous to this. Even though I can understand the rhetoric for some radical black nationalism during the Civil Rights Movement, all it really did was hardened the hearts of the stalwart who choose to believe that blacks had a proclivity to violence, despite the excessive amount of discrimination against blacks that drove them to these movements in the first place.

Let's be clear, not torturing is not tantamount to a tolerance, much less acceptance, of Islamic terrorism. There are far more efficacious ways to go about then the cynical approach by the CIA whose international meddling is one of their main criticisms in the first place.

Anyhoo, I must reiterate. Since when did "No Torture=Lack of Condemnation"?

The lack of cultural understanding, and I do not mean "Hey, they're people like us", but rather that most of them abide by some shitty logic known only to humans is the cornerstone of why the CIA has failed time and time again, and will continue to do so.
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Anyhoo, I must reiterate. Since when did "No Torture=Lack of Condemnation"?


When you responded to me, you quoted the two points about condemnation and torture without deleting the condemnation point from the quote. So, I thought you meant that condemn+torture was "confirming things", as you put it.

I don't think torture is related to condemnation at all.

As for cultural understanding, I'm not sure what you're advocating. Yes, they have shitty logic, but we can definitely identify patterns of shitty logic. I mean, I'm listening if you have some ideas there.
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Posted 27 days ago

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
Anyhoo, I must reiterate. Since when did "No Torture=Lack of Condemnation"?


When you responded to me, you quoted the two points about condemnation and torture without deleting the condemnation point from the quote. So, I thought you meant that condemn+torture was "confirming things", as you put it.

I don't think torture is related to condemnation at all.

As for cultural understanding, I'm not sure what you're advocating. Yes, they have shitty logic, but we can definitely identify patterns of shitty logic. I mean, I'm listening if you have some ideas there.


I just dislike the Kissinger Era methods they have been using to nearly no avail. I really do get easily butthurt when people at any time think the CIA are competent.

To reiterate my point, know your enemy, and the ramifications of your actions. Or rather, understand where you went wrong the first time.

As Einstein eloquently points out "Insanity is doing the exact same thing over again and expecting different results".
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Well, I do like a challenge:

1. Bill Maher has four more years of material
2. anticipated greater voter turnout in the future
3. true racisits will expose themselves
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