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Posted 21 days ago

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Neither are sheltered from rebuttal. Both have received multiple rebuttals. Don't venture into insults and you're good.


Actually not true. While one of my posts, which was actually one of the ones that could possibly be considered insulting, was kept up, I also lost several posts that didn't have any insults at all.

For example, when I said:


This is like me going into public and drawing a circle with chalk, hanging a sign around my neck that says "Whites and white allies only, inside my circle. It's a safe space!" and then having the police enforce that.


That's not an insult, but rather an analogy.

So, no. Calling BS.
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Posted 21 days ago , edited 20 days ago

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While I saw the thread and agree that it was handled poorly and should have been locked instead of trying to protect the bigoted user, even as they continued to spout their bigotry, I also agree with rawratl on this. There have been plenty of other threads where there was obvious bigotry in the thread which was left to remain, the "Hitler was a pretty good guy thread" really sticks out in the mind as well as several other threads by a handful of specific users (that I won't name) with heavy anti-"black", anti-semitic, and/or anti-muslim views. I also don't see what is thought to be accomplished by this thread, as there obviously isn't anything you can really do about it. Even if many posters agree with you, it doesn't mean much of anything.


Which is, again, not the point.

The point is that any argument against the OP's reasoning was shut down. At least as many as could even very slightly be justified.

We don't care what people are allowed to say, but rather that some people are not allowed to say things in response.

THAT'S the point.



The purpose of thread wasn't to debate the legitimacy of the OPs reasoning. It likely didn't help that some of that disagreement wasn't entirely civil.


OKAY, MakotoKamui.

BUT, at best, the thread should have been locked, because OP was racist.

EDIT: AND SEXIST.
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Posted 21 days ago

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You guys are beyond ridiculous at this point. I had my posts deleted and got warned for calling a user racist after he made a post about how "black people were genetically inferior animals who killed white people all the time, so he wasn't going to care about some unarmed black animal getting shot." Literally a quote. I was accused of race baiting. The ONE thread that specifically mentions white people and she keeps it on track so you guys feel like you are being persecuted. What, for being straight white people? Honestly, no one gives a shit. These forums are free, you dont have to like how it's moderated. If the customer service rep wants to tell you that you are free to see yourself out, that's completely within their rights. If you don't want to pay to use the service, by all means do so. No one cares, just keep watching it here with ads and giving them ad revenue, that is such an amazing boycott.

Edit: Oh and definitely keep giving their website clicks so they can take it to advertisers as a reason to give them more revenue.


Bullshit. Quote it, link it, something. Back it up.


That thread was gutted and closed long ago. It was a BLM thread, and it's not BS. The quote octo linked is sooo tame, but that's just the kind of stuff Amyas posts everyday.
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Posted 20 days ago

rawratl wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:


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You guys are beyond ridiculous at this point. I had my posts deleted and got warned for calling a user racist after he made a post about how "black people were genetically inferior animals who killed white people all the time, so he wasn't going to care about some unarmed black animal getting shot." Literally a quote. I was accused of race baiting. The ONE thread that specifically mentions white people and she keeps it on track so you guys feel like you are being persecuted. What, for being straight white people? Honestly, no one gives a shit. These forums are free, you dont have to like how it's moderated. If the customer service rep wants to tell you that you are free to see yourself out, that's completely within their rights. If you don't want to pay to use the service, by all means do so. No one cares, just keep watching it here with ads and giving them ad revenue, that is such an amazing boycott.

Edit: Oh and definitely keep giving their website clicks so they can take it to advertisers as a reason to give them more revenue.


Bullshit. Quote it, link it, something. Back it up.


That thread was gutted and closed long ago. It was a BLM thread, and it's not BS. The quote octo linked is sooo tame, but that's just the kind of stuff Amyas posts everyday.


Weellll, isn't that convenient.
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The disagreement was technically off topic, that's nothing new.

I am not so sure, she said the purpose of the thread was for the discussion of minority concerns without them being judged as militant or whiny etc. In other words a thread without the bitter dissent that often comes up on such issues and indeed did come up in that thread.
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Just want to be clear that I didn't get so heavily involved in the issue because of how personally offended I was at the OP of that thread. Yes, I found it racist. But GD has had no shortage or racist or hateful threads in the last two years. It's nothing new, and it's nothing that I wasn't willing to ignore. My problem was purely with how the moderation was mishandled on all levels, to the point of being absolutely ridiculous.

The last time I found a thread so offensive and needing to be locked instead of fiddled with by the mods, was when someone posted a very anti-semitic thread about holocaust denial last year. In a similar fashion, the mods (well, mostly mod) endlessly went back and forth locking and unlocking, while trying to somehow fix it. While me and others were like "WTF are you doing, lock it already!"

That "safe space" thread evoked a similar reaction from me in many ways. But the difference was that the mod agreed so much with the OP's premise and ideas that entirely new and unheard of forum rules were somehow created on the spot to destroy all opposition. That was the tipping point for me. And now here we are.
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Posted 20 days ago


Convenient? No, I'd say it was necessary.
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The disagreement was technically off topic, that's nothing new.

I am not so sure, she said the purpose of the thread was for the discussion of minority concerns without them being judged as militant or whiny etc. In other words a thread without the bitter dissent that often comes up and indeed did come up in that thread.


No, though I am sure in some round about way, that may have vaguely been what she meant.... that's not at all what was said.

You know that. We know that. Now, you have a few positions on the subject:

Those who believe it was racist, but don't really give a fuck.
Those who believe it was racist and weren't allowed to discuss that.
Those who believe it was racist, but that we need to get over it because these are private forums.
Those who believe that is was not racist, because racism must be systemic to be racism, therefore minorities cannot be racist.
Posted 20 days ago , edited 20 days ago

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boycotting CR by joining a CR group and using CR forums...did i read that right..? o-O
i think that thread should have been locked, but Ioreen wanted it to keep going, despite the obvious frustration on both sides.
as for the response from Nate, that was unprofessional indeed, downright disrespectful. if he was a customer service representative, this response could very well get him fired.


boycotting CR by joining a CR group and using CR forums...did i read that right..? o-O



OP I just want to say this not offense but correct me if I am wrong.

Don't people pay for the sub to watch anime and read manga?

I feel like while you may be in the right, bullying them by cancelling your sub is a bit immature in your part.

After all the anime/manga are a service separate from the forum. Is not like you pay to use the forum.

Disclaimer this is opinion. Don't get mad or angry a me for thinking differently than you.

About the customer service thing. Someone is asking to get fire.
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Posted 20 days ago

HolyDrumstick wrote:

I know all the proper channels to go through to get issues with moderators addressed. However, they have not been.


I've moved this to the Suggestions / Feedback forum.

You already have a roughly related thread in General Discussion (the Boycotting thread) so if you really want to continue to share some of your opinions and information, that would seem the right place, as it would support of your Boycott discussion.

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Posted 20 days ago

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HolyDrumstick wrote:

I know all the proper channels to go through to get issues with moderators addressed. However, they have not been.


I've moved this to the Suggestions / Feedback forum.

You already have a roughly related thread in General Discussion (the Boycotting thread) so if you really want to continue to share some of your opinions and information, that would seem the right place, as it would support of your Boycott discussion.



Basically a round about way of silencing the thread, because removing it outright would expose the truth of your position, but at least if you move it to Support it will be ignored more easily.

I actually called this action by you when we were discussing your behavior directly a while ago.

Well, it's okay. I'm not worried.
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Posted 20 days ago , edited 20 days ago
Seriously? I mean.....seriously? lorren is beyond lenient with some of the crap threads that bubble up in the swamp here. And you're whining because you couldn't shitpost up the one thread whose purpose was to avoid being a victim of shitposting?

Cripes, man. Take the refund and walk.

PS. Also lawl at the "perceived by MANY members of the community" bit.



HolyDrumstick wrote:
Basically a round about way of silencing the thread, because removing it outright would expose the truth of your position, but at least if you move it to Support it will be ignored more easily.


This is not a democracy and you are not a True Patriot(tm) trying to overthrow tyranny.

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Posted 20 days ago , edited 20 days ago

lorreen wrote:


HolyDrumstick wrote:

I know all the proper channels to go through to get issues with moderators addressed. However, they have not been.


I've moved this to the Suggestions / Feedback forum.

You already have a roughly related thread in General Discussion (the Boycotting thread) so if you really want to continue to share some of your opinions and information, that would seem the right place, as it would support of your Boycott discussion.



OH SHIT. I did forget to tell you that I mentioned it because by moving it to Suggestions/Feedback, you proved my prior point AND it will spread notice out to many people over the course of a longer period of time.

Question: What will you do now? Will you remove this thread? Will you leave it? Will you edit this post?

Wait and see on the next episode, everyone!

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Posted 20 days ago , edited 20 days ago

HolyDrumstick wrote:


nooneinparticular wrote:

The disagreement was technically off topic, that's nothing new.

I am not so sure, she said the purpose of the thread was for the discussion of minority concerns without them being judged as militant or whiny etc. In other words a thread without the bitter dissent that often comes up and indeed did come up in that thread.


No, though I am sure in some round about way, that may have vaguely been what she meant.... that's not at all what was said.

You know that. We know that. Now, you have a few positions on the subject:

Those who believe it was racist, but don't really give a fuck.
Those who believe it was racist and weren't allowed to discuss that.
Those who believe it was racist, but that we need to get over it because these are private forums.
Those who believe that is was not racist, because racism must be systemic to be racism, therefore minorities cannot be racist.


I have to admit I read her post and wasn't bothered by it (white male btw). I'd like to know what makes CR white male focused, but more of a curiosity and wasn't something worth wading into the sh*t storm for.
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