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Posted 18 days ago

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The disagreement was technically off topic, that's nothing new.

I am not so sure, she said the purpose of the thread was for the discussion of minority concerns without them being judged as militant or whiny etc. In other words a thread without the bitter dissent that often comes up and indeed did come up in that thread.


No, though I am sure in some round about way, that may have vaguely been what she meant.... that's not at all what was said.

You know that. We know that. Now, you have a few positions on the subject:

Those who believe it was racist, but don't really give a fuck.
Those who believe it was racist and weren't allowed to discuss that.
Those who believe it was racist, but that we need to get over it because these are private forums.
Those who believe that is was not racist, because racism must be systemic to be racism, therefore minorities cannot be racist.


I have to admit I read her post and wasn't bothered by it. I'd like to know what makes CR white male focused, but wasn't something worth wading into the sh*t storm for.


So you're a 4.
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Posted 18 days ago , edited 17 days ago

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So you're a 4.


That would require me to believe that minorities can't be racist, an opinion I do not in fact hold. I just wasn't bother by the thread, it's existence wasn't hurting me and had no reason to get involved with, especially since it was well on it's way to going to hell when I came across it.
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Posted 18 days ago , edited 18 days ago

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I've moved this to the Suggestions / Feedback forum.

You already have a roughly related thread in General Discussion (the Boycotting thread) so if you really want to continue to share some of your opinions and information, that would seem the right place, as it would support of your Boycott discussion.



Basically a round about way of silencing the thread, because removing it outright would expose the truth of your position, but at least if you move it to Support it will be ignored more easily.

I actually called this action by you when we were discussing your behavior directly a while ago.

Well, it's okay. I'm not worried.


Dude. You are complaining about a thread being moved to the "suggestions" forum when it literally has suggestions in the title. Do you honestly not see any other reason that would happen besides an attempt to "silence" you?
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Posted 18 days ago , edited 17 days ago

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That would require me to believe that minorities can't be racist, an opinion I do not in fact hold. I just wasn't bother by the thread, it's existence wasn't hurting me and had no reason to get involved with, especially since it was well on it's way to going to hell when I came across it.


No one else is really complaining about the thread itself, either.... more or less the censorship by the mods within the thread.

In it, your logic was flawed, because you kept saying that it was due to being rude or offensive, when racism is an even worse offense.

Again, the thread wasn't the problem. The action of the mods was.
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Posted 18 days ago , edited 17 days ago

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No one else is really complaining about the thread itself, either.... more or less the censorship by the mods within the thread.

In it, your logic was flawed, because you kept saying that it was due to being rude or offensive, when racism is an even worse offense.

Again, the thread wasn't the problem. The action of the mods was.


No, I said the purpose of thread was not to debate it's legitimacy and those posts are therefore off topic and that some of those posts were also rude. Aren't you complaining about thread being racist as well as the mods?
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Posted 18 days ago , edited 18 days ago

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No, though I am sure in some round about way, that may have vaguely been what she meant.... that's not at all what was said.

You know that. We know that. Now, you have a few positions on the subject:

Those who believe it was racist, but don't really give a fuck.
Those who believe it was racist and weren't allowed to discuss that.
Those who believe it was racist, but that we need to get over it because these are private forums.
Those who believe that is was not racist, because racism must be systemic to be racism, therefore minorities cannot be racist.


Not that I really want to jump in, but I can tell you you're missing a few positions there, friend.

But much like my opinion of the safe spaces thread after looking at the responses, I really don't want to deal with this.

Although, ironically, I have felt that way about quite a few threads and posts in GD. Perhaps I'd be with you if you were campaigning for more comprehensive action and stricter moderation overall, rather than trying to rebuke one mod in particular.

So my suggestion is "don't make this a crusade" (note - I truly don't have any subtext when I say that). Present your grievances very generally. Voice concerns you feel are applicable to the entire community, or the entire sub-community of moderators. (Since didn't multiple post there? Seemingly implying that more than one was at least examining the situation).

Personally, I'm for stricter moderation in general, as I feel the mods are a bit too forgiving. There are many, many posts that I feel should be deleted despite mods deeming them "productive to discussion" and leaving them in place. Sometimes unedited. And it's one reason why I almost completely avoid GD now. If you're not for stricter moderation overall and really are only interested in retribution for the safe spaces thread, then I really can't offer any further advice other than hope support takes your position into account through your messages and this feedback forum.

As for the thread itself, I only poked in occasionally, but I actually support the mods' decision there, from what I saw. Maybe that invalidates my opinion, but I figured I'd still offer my suggestion anyway since I would like some forum changes (even if they're different from yours) and also since you were so agreeable in my mundane miracles thread.
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I am shocked that so many people think the mods on this site are doing a good job
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This is not a democracy and you are not a True Patriot(tm) trying to overthrow tyranny.


This is a private company's forum run by a team who's doing their best to deal with what's best for a large userbase. Telling three people (because yes, it was only three complaints) to get out is what anyone else would do when someone's making a scene in their place of business. People constantly misconstrue "being professional" with "you always have to be nice to me," and that's never the case. I've modded on forums for over a decade, and now given a chance to run one, I'm going to make sure that fights are ended, fast. I don't need people trying to pretend that safe spaces are a bigger deal beyond people just needing a place to talk without fear.

If you're intent on pursuing them beyond that, it's on you, and nobody else, and if you're gonna continue to pick fights, then any and all of you who disagree with that are welcome to leave, all dozen-and-a-half of you.
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You were being unprofessional and should take responsibility for that instead of blaming your customers. Being a moderator for decades has nothing to do with customer service. This is a professional and serious website, no? We expect good customer service.
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You were being unprofessional and should take responsibility for that instead of blaming your customers. Being a moderator for decades has nothing to do with customer service. This is a professional and serious website, no? We expect good customer service.


What is good customer service in this instance?
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You were being unprofessional and should take responsibility for that instead of blaming your customers. Being a moderator for decades has nothing to do with customer service. This is a professional and serious website, no? We expect good customer service.
Yeah, and I'll be happy to promptly help you out if you have a technical or billing issue, something that's easily quantifiable as "good customer service."

But if someone's raising a ruckus in your restaurant and you kick them out, yeah, you're being mean to them, but it's done in the name of your other customers. You're not really going to change anything by telling me of all people what "good customer service" is.

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bbbbbbbbbb wrote:

You were being unprofessional and should take responsibility for that instead of blaming your customers. Being a moderator for decades has nothing to do with customer service. This is a professional and serious website, no? We expect good customer service.


What is good customer service in this instance?


Something like "We are sorry that your experience with us wasn't like you expected. We will give you a refund (refund was given so a plus for that) and we will look into the issue ..."

Something along those lines instead of "you are welcome to never write on the forum again".
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bbbbbbbbbb wrote:

You were being unprofessional and should take responsibility for that instead of blaming your customers. Being a moderator for decades has nothing to do with customer service. This is a professional and serious website, no? We expect good customer service.
Yeah, and I'll be happy to promptly help you out if you have a technical or billing issue, something that's easily quantifiable as "good customer service."

But if someone's raising a ruckus in your restaurant and you kick them out, yeah, you're being mean to them, but it's done in the name of your other customers. You're not really going to change anything by telling me of all people what "good customer service" is.



The customers complaint was more professional than your reply.
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Once again, "being professional" does not mean "I have to be nice to you," especially here on the forum which is more informal. Everybody takes advantage of "professionalism" to say whatever they want, but I and my staff have every right to stand up for themselves and others.

EDIT: OHHHH MY GOD I REMEMBER WHEN BAKER USED TO JUST TELL PEOPLE OFF and you guys are talking like he was nicer. Dude was sassy as hell.
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Posted 18 days ago , edited 18 days ago

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Once again, "being professional" does not mean "I have to be nice to you," especially here on the forum which is more informal. Everybody takes advantage of "professionalism" to say whatever they want, but I and my staff have every right to stand up for themselves and others.

EDIT: OHHHH MY GOD I REMEMBER WHEN BAKER USED TO JUST TELL PEOPLE OFF and you guys are talking like he was nicer. Dude was sassy as hell.


You were neither professional or nice.

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