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Yesterday I read an article about a girl with cancer who won the right to be cryogenically preserved, in hopes of being revived in the future with her disease cured. (here's the article)

I couldn't stop thinking about it when I went to bed. It's called Cryonics, and it's basically the act of freezing people when they are legally dead, in hopes that future technology and medicine will revive them. A lot of celebrities, including Britney Spears and Seth MacFarlane, have stated they want to do this.

Here's some FAQ about it on the Cryonics Institute website, which is one of two facilities in the U.S. that does this, and one of three in the world (Russia has one called KrioRus)

It's really expensive, like 200,000 USD for whole body preservation and I think 80,000 for just the head. Scientists also don't know if memory preservation is possible. Basically, there is no guarantee your identity will be preserved or if you will ever be revived.

Would you do it? I think it's really really cool and a lot better than just having a burial, but other stuff like being turned into a tree and contributing to nature is cool too, or donating your organs to someone in need. What do you think?
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I've read about that girl, at least she died with some hope

Nope I wouldn't do it, sounds too expensive. I highly doubt people who are cryogenically preserved can be revived in the future.
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No, I watched Vanilla Sky. Screw that ಠ_ಠ
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If I'm dead, just let me die.
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Unfortunately it's a moot point, cryogenics simply doesn't work. Just remember this simple scientific fact - water expands when it freezes. This includes the water in the human body.

So, when someone is cryogenically frozen the water in their body expands into ice, while the rest of their tissue remains static. This process effectively destroys every cell in a person's body, even those cells left undamaged by whatever ailment originally killed them. That means when it comes time to thaw someone out there's nothing left to save.

Despite its best intentions cryogenics is just a very expensive way of storing a frozen corpse. Anyone cryogenically frozen can't be revived in the future, even if a cure to their fatal condition is eventually discovered. Furthermore, unless a new way of preservation is discovered, which prevents ice from destroying cell structure, this kind of thing will only be a waste of time and energy.
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Makes me think of Futurama
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No.
I want a grand funeral.
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Kintor wrote:

Unfortunately it's a moot point, cryogenics simply doesn't work. Just remember this simple scientific fact - water expands when it freezes. This includes the water in the human body.



I'm not saying that cryogenics actually work, mind you, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryoprotectant There's also slow cooling, where the process is done gradually enough for excess water to leave cells without irreparably damaging them.

It's not like they're just chucking you directly into a freezer.


At any rate, no. I wouldn't want to be frozen. I'd rather not be buried either. Roast me up and scatter my ashes someplace nice, would you?
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Kintor wrote:

Unfortunately it's a moot point, cryogenics simply doesn't work. Just remember this simple scientific fact - water expands when it freezes. This includes the water in the human body.

So, when someone is cryogenically frozen the water in their body expands into ice, while the rest of their tissue remains static. This process effectively destroys every cell in a person's body, even those cells left undamaged by whatever ailment originally killed them. That means when it comes time to thaw someone out there's nothing left to save.

Despite its best intentions cryogenics is just a very expensive way of storing a frozen corpse. Anyone cryogenically frozen can't be revived in the future, even if a cure to their fatal condition is eventually discovered. Furthermore, unless a new way of preservation is discovered, which prevents ice from destroying cell structure, this kind of thing will only be a waste of time and energy.


I am pretty sure someone already thought of that, but thanks for thinking before the curve.
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I don't like the cold so no freezing for me lol. Being turned into a tree sounds cool, nobody better cut me down I'm gonna try to become the first Ent! I'm gonna will that dead conscious into that tree!
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Just think, if all this money went into research to have immortality and/or consciousness transfer, maybe they'd never need to be frozen.

Honestly, I'm a Christian, but I mean, this seems illogical for scientific reasons. Much more of a long shot, if you ask me.

EDIT: Also, I am an organ donor. Fuck my organs when I'm dead. Take anything you want. I mean, you may not want my liver... or my lungs....or my heart.... but, I say toss my ass in a tub full of ice, wheel me out on the front lawn, and have a yard sale.
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For this to be feasible, I imagine that need to have special cryoprotectants in our bodies, that which Arctic frogs and some other animals use for suspended animation. I'm not sure that the vague "anti-freeze liquid" used in this girl's preservation process will cut it.


No, I'm not particularly interested, especially considering the prices.
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Kintor wrote:

Unfortunately it's a moot point, cryogenics simply doesn't work. Just remember this simple scientific fact - water expands when it freezes. This includes the water in the human body.

So, when someone is cryogenically frozen the water in their body expands into ice, while the rest of their tissue remains static. This process effectively destroys every cell in a person's body, even those cells left undamaged by whatever ailment originally killed them. That means when it comes time to thaw someone out there's nothing left to save.

Despite its best intentions cryogenics is just a very expensive way of storing a frozen corpse. Anyone cryogenically frozen can't be revived in the future, even if a cure to their fatal condition is eventually discovered. Furthermore, unless a new way of preservation is discovered, which prevents ice from destroying cell structure, this kind of thing will only be a waste of time and energy.


If we find a way to make all the water in our body supercooled ( Which seems almost impossible) then maybe we can get past the water crystallization but Idk how we would figure out how to do that.

Anyway I think it's a waste of resources, but a lot of people like to do those things.
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Yes, I would.
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Hmm, honestly don't know.

On one hand I think it is highly possible that one day we will fully be able to reanimate/bring back such people, on the other hand why take the chance?

It's far more likely that people will obtain pseudo immortality by downloading themselves into a computer system. Whether or not that entity will still be the same person or a computer that has a AI intelligence emulating the person's personality will be something nobody will ever be able to prove. (See the movie 7th Day, its with cloning, but pretty thought provoking)
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