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To paraphrase Taro Aso:

"At this time, based on what the American media ("newspapers and other news outlets") have said in the past and presently they often make inaccurate speculations. Even now, they're saying that they're uncertain as to who will be the next Secretary of Treasury or the Secretary of State will be. For us to try to make plans around the speculation of the American media is a complete waste of time. What we need to do is think about it once everything is actually decided (settled) and as long there aren't any official statements (from America) reading their articles aren't worth the money spent on them."

Keep in mind that most of Japan were focusing (see: hoping) that Hilary Clinton would have won the election. NHK was translating a lot of Trump's promises and statements quite literally (which, as I'm sure you all would assume, makes him look like an even bigger idiot than what some would say he looks like in America) and sprouting a lot of Pro-Clinton statements. It's mostly in part that the (most) Japanese have little-to-no respect for Donald Trump. They find him incompetent and more of a "reality star" than someone who should ever be in the position as President of the United States.


DeadlyOats wrote:

Someone needs to subtitle this....

TPP was mentioned a lot.


In this particular video, Taro Aso was stating that the Japanese were still very much invested into the TPP and want to continue it. Keep in mind that Shinzo Abe (Prime Minister of Japan) has basically stated that "Without the United States, the TPP is meaningless" and that it would be pointless to renegotiate the TPP altogether as it would disturb the fundamental balance of benefits (it shouldn't be lopsided to the USA's benefit, basically). This is a very generic translation as it's a long video to transcribe entirely. I watched it while playing PS4 this morning (before starting work).


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ninjitsuko wrote:

To paraphrase Taro Aso:

"At this time, based on what the American media ("newspapers and other news outlets") have said in the past and presently they often make inaccurate speculations. Even now, they're saying that they're uncertain as to who will be the next Secretary of Treasury or the Secretary of State will be. For us to try to make plans around the speculation of the American media is a complete waste of time. What we need to do is think about it once everything is actually decided (settled) and as long there aren't any official statements (from America) reading their articles aren't worth the money spent on them."



Those are wise words.
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ninjitsuko wrote:

To paraphrase Taro Aso:

"At this time, based on what the American media ("newspapers and other news outlets") have said in the past and presently they often make inaccurate speculations. Even now, they're saying that they're uncertain as to who will be the next Secretary of Treasury or the Secretary of State will be. For us to try to make plans around the speculation of the American media is a complete waste of time. What we need to do is think about it once everything is actually decided (settled) and as long there aren't any official statements (from America) reading their articles aren't worth the money spent on them."



Thank you for that paraphrase. That statement makes quite a bit of sense and is way more reasonable than the single sentence soundbite.
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Thank you for that paraphrase. That statement makes quite a bit of sense and is way more reasonable than the single sentence soundbite.


No problem. When a single sentence is translated, it's only natural to assume that the entire context was around the same. He's correct in the view that it is a waste of time (energy, resources, etc) to plan their government strategies around the US when their only source at this time is the media that merely makes speculations on important/key strategies.

I can translate Japanese with some accuracy; however, I'd rather use the term "paraphrase" than "quote" because I took a few liberties to make sure it made sense in English (the parenthesis show where this was done).

The main thing I see is the issue is that our media has nixed the whole "Editorial" section of their publications and meshed it with day to day news (both in newspapers and in mainstream news television). Personal opinion doesn't equate to factual information; which is what the Japanese government is realizing - most of our news outlets are guessing, and not in a hypothetical manner.

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Japan has been the poster child for runaway debt to GDP, a bankster ponzi experiment to see how long and how far past 100 they can really go before things really collapse, all the while japanese PMs and such keep trying to say all's well stay calm. Even the japanese mafia is beholden to foreign interests, its pathetic.
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ninjitsuko wrote:

The main thing I see is the issue is that our media has nixed the whole "Editorial" section of their publications and meshed it with day to day news (both in newspapers and in mainstream news television). Personal opinion doesn't equate to factual information; which is what the Japanese government is realizing - most of our news outlets are guessing, and not in a hypothetical manner.



It does get pretty tiresome to see a panel of 'experts' speculating on what may or may not happen. Gotta love the 24/7 news cycle and the increased need for filler.
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It does get pretty tiresome to see a panel of 'experts' speculating on what may or may not happen. Gotta love the 24/7 news cycle and the increased need for filler.


Yep, that's exactly why I've stopped paying attention to mainstream media to get news. I don't mind quickly glancing an article on MSNBC/CNN/Fox to get the perspective from the bias - but, I couldn't put up with listening to anyone drone on about the news vocally.

Note: Noticed some double-stated terms in my translation (who will be/will be, etc) - sorry. But you get the gist, I guess.

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ninjitsuko wrote:

To paraphrase Taro Aso:

"At this time, based on what the American media ("newspapers and other news outlets") have said in the past and presently they often make inaccurate speculations. Even now, they're saying that they're uncertain as to who will be the next Secretary of Treasury or the Secretary of State will be. For us to try to make plans around the speculation of the American media is a complete waste of time. What we need to do is think about it once everything is actually decided (settled) and as long there aren't any official statements (from America) reading their articles aren't worth the money spent on them."

Keep in mind that most of Japan were focusing (see: hoping) that Hilary Clinton would have won the election. NHK was translating a lot of Trump's promises and statements quite literally (which, as I'm sure you all would assume, makes him look like an even bigger idiot than what some would say he looks like in America) and sprouting a lot of Pro-Clinton statements. It's mostly in part that the (most) Japanese have little-to-no respect for Donald Trump. They find him incompetent and more of a "reality star" than someone who should ever be in the position as President of the United States.


DeadlyOats wrote:

Someone needs to subtitle this....

TPP was mentioned a lot.


In this particular video, Taro Aso was stating that the Japanese were still very much invested into the TPP and want to continue it. Keep in mind that Shinzo Abe (Prime Minister of Japan) has basically stated that "Without the United States, the TPP is meaningless" and that it would be pointless to renegotiate the TPP altogether as it would disturb the fundamental balance of benefits (it shouldn't be lopsided to the USA's benefit, basically). This is a very generic translation as it's a long video to transcribe entirely. I watched it while playing PS4 this morning (before starting work).




This has been what many people on the forums have been saying. The mainstream media is NOT REPORTING ACCURATE NEWS.

This is also an argument that has been made many times in the forums. The media have reported the news in such a biased manner, that everyone was utterly shocked when Trump won. The media painted Clinton as level-headed and honest (ignoring every scandal she's ever been involved in - directly and indirectly), while making Trump out to be a really bad guy, in every way. The media gave those impressions of Trump, by ignoring the policies he said he would implement (his first 100 day plan which he gave in his speeches but was ignored), and only focusing on twisting what they did quote him saying out of context, depicting him as someone no one would vote for. All while reporting skewed poll data.

The entire world was shocked at the election results, because they trusted CNN and company to tell the truth, but instead they felt lied to.
This is not an insignificant thing for the deputy prime minister to say:


NHK was translating a lot of Trump's promises and statements quite literally (which, as I'm sure you all would assume, makes him look like an even bigger idiot than what some would say he looks like in America) and sprouting a lot of Pro-Clinton statements.


Based on the faulty reporting by CNN and company, the Japanese market had invested using a certain strategy. When the world woke up to "President Elect Trump," the Japanese markets took a nose dive, as investors pulled their money out of the markets. A lot of people lost a lot of money, because they believed and trusted CNN and company.

World leaders were quiet for many hours before the congratulatory calls finally started to come in for Trump. Even Trump supporters were shocked at the results. Even though they felt the media was biased, they too believed the polls. Incredibly, news outlets like InfoWars and Project Veritas, were reporting the news in the exact opposite way... InfoWars kept saying the polls were wrong. They turned out to be right. Yet, for some reason, they continue to be denigrated as a "fake news" outlet. Why, they were right, weren't they?

If this does not tell us something is wrong with our mainstream news outlets, then what will?
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Yes, the news is almost always, as the uncouth would say, "fake and gay".
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ninjitsuko wrote:

To paraphrase Taro Aso:

"At this time, based on what the American media ("newspapers and other news outlets") have said in the past and presently they often make inaccurate speculations. Even now, they're saying that they're uncertain as to who will be the next Secretary of Treasury or the Secretary of State will be. For us to try to make plans around the speculation of the American media is a complete waste of time. What we need to do is think about it once everything is actually decided (settled) and as long there aren't any official statements (from America) reading their articles aren't worth the money spent on them."



This has been what many people on the forums have been saying. The mainstream media is NOT REPORTING ACCURATE NEWS.


There's a big difference between 'inaccurate speculations' and 'inaccurate reporting'. The problem in this case is that there's not any solid news on who Trump will have in his cabinet, and the media is filling those timeslots with speculation.


World leaders were quiet for many hours before the congratulatory calls finally started to come in for Trump. Even Trump supporters were shocked at the results. Even though they felt the media was biased, they too believed the polls. Incredibly, news outlets like InfoWars and Project Veritas, were reporting the news in the exact opposite way... InfoWars kept saying the polls were wrong. They turned out to be right. Yet, for some reason, they continue to be denigrated as a "fake news" outlet. Why, they were right, weren't they?

If this does not tell us something is wrong with our mainstream news outlets, then what will?


Were InfoWars and Project Veritas predicting a Trump win by the slim margin that occurred? Because just about any time I saw them linked on this board it was about unfounded accusations of polling fraud, fake voter fraud stories, or touting online polls giving Trump ridiculous margins. Their guy winning doesn't suddenly make bullshit diamonds.
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I believe what I kept hearing from media outlets was that Hillary and Trump were very close and that a Trump win was certainly not out of reach. Yes, they predicted Hillary would barely, but only BARELY. Therefore, Trump winning was not entirely unexpected. Many news outlets, including NPR, said their numbers were awfully close and that, at times, they were running neck and neck. Yes, a lot of them thought Hillary would eventually win out, but not by a wide margin. Some even thought that Trump would get 40-something percent of the vote and, out of the 30 or more polls that existed regarding the candidates, at least two or three said that Trump actually was in the lead hours before election day began. What's more troubling, however, is that quite a fair number of the American population who were polled by calling their home phone said that they wouldn't be voting or that they would vote for Jill Stein or an independent, when in truth, when election day came these same people voted for Trump. Polls are conducted by calling tens of thousands of random Americans in different states (in order to get an accurate sampling of the general mood of the American population) and asking them who they will be voting for, and yet so many Trump voters were not honest about who they would vote for or said they wouldn't vote on the phone and then they turned out in droves at polling stations and voted for him. I believe that a lot of media outlets couldn't accurately gauge Trump's chances of winning because when people were called, they told a different story from what they were actually going to do. I'm not saying that perhaps the media shouldn't be reformed and that they, at times, might have been reporting things differently from how they were actually happening, I'm just saying that you can't entirely blame the media.
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I guess he is saying they are....as Taro-ble Aso they thought in Japan.


I thought about making a pun regarding this thread, but feared it would be too Asotaroic for anyone to get.
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