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Yea it sounds fucking retarded, worse than those sandy hook conspiracies. Seriously all this just sounds like a big confirmation bias feeding in on itself. Do you honestly believe there are people conspiring to rape children? Like that is the biggest thing on their list. These people are probably focused on invading some 3rd world country, if they wanted to have sexual relations with children they'd just lower the age of consent like Europe did. They'd even do it openly like they do with homosexuality.



Anyone who buys into this shit is a literal fucking retard just scarping the bottom of the barrel trying to find something incriminating foolishly believing they are some internet keyboard warrior changing the world. Lmao KYS

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He's not doubting you because he is a naive (if that is what you're trying to imply) he's doubting you because your second hand information has too many discrepancies your information does not match up with reality. The common thing that most investigators should do is investigate and see for themselves. So that means drag your own ass to Washington and take a look around to see if the what you observe align with the information you have at hand to validate it.

So on the account of personal experience with psychopaths we should gobble it up and listen and believe? That sounds like what these SJW feminist would say "listen and believe." First, everyone's experiences are subjective and second, how can I take your word for it?

Also I think the word you're looking for is Sociopath and not Psychopath because if these people would like to remain Incognito acting out of the ordinary would draw attention to themselves.


Lala is referring to a community of psychopaths that share the same hobbies. Your argument that this should be investigated by foot is true, that's why people are working on spreading Pizzagate. Not everyone is capable or brave enough, as many have been killed, and some people don't have the time and money. The strongest thing for Pizzagate is numbers, to get more people to know about it and speak up against it.


Oh good. Large numbers of people, almost none of whom actually level official allegations and only bitch on the internet about it. Yeah, way to "speak up against it". And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously? I mean aside from your pointless fixation with talking about yourself in the third person?

Or, if you want the more simplified version: Report or gtfo.
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LalaSatalin wrote:
Lala made the point that cropping is part of what makes up the picture because it's true. That specific cropping was made to look like an underaged girl's butt. Your pictures represent who you are. If you open your "Pictures" folder, you will understand that the pictures you collect define your tastes. None of this is second-hand information, it is directly on his Instagram account. Basically, you repeated your previous post and we're back in a loop because you haven't addressed Lala's point.


I repeated my previous post because your response actually didn't make any sense. What cropping do you speak of? In the image you linked to his instagram, it's merely the piece from "Made in Heaven" that was hanging up the Whitney Museum of Art. That's actually the image in its entirety - like many of Koons' photos in that exhibition. This is why I implored you to investigate further because you're talking nonsensical about an image that you clearly you've never seen others in the same exhibition to understand the context. It not only refutes your point, but disproves it entirely. There's no "cropping to make it look like an underage girl's body". If you're considering that image to deliberately look like that of an underaged girl's body, you'll think about 95% of men who look at porn are pedophiles too. Which, again, is why it seems that everything you say is just taking it to the "furthest extreme" without any real facts


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All you did in this paragraph was define the mission and background of ICMEC, which is somehow supposed to refute Lala's tip about current speculation over the possibility of Jeff Koons being a blackmail victim of the pedophile network. Lala simply made a tip, not a point. There is also speculation that he's a part of it. Then again, this wasn't supposed to be a point, because Lala's not the one speculating about Jeff Koons. Somehow Lala's single sentence about the current situation of the investigation made you write a whole paragraph about the background of ICMEC, while Lala was expecting a paragraph addressing Lala's point that there's a mountain of evidence pointing to Alefantis' pedophilia.


So you're basically going in between what you consider as "Facts" and "speculation" as if it has any merit to begin with? You're speaking in circular logic and should probably stop referring to yourself in the third person. If we were to follow the same method of analysis that you've taken in this particular thread, one would conclude that you have a disassociative personality disorder because you don't trust your own "self" enough to post on a forum. But, see, that's the issue with "slippery slopes" - they're easy to state something as fact from a few breadcrumbs.

That aside, the reason why your "singular sentence" spawned a paragraph in response was due to the absurdity of your so-called "tip". The way you outlined it, you made it sound as though you were accusing Koons as being a perpetrator in the whole "pizzagate" conspiracy because of his history with the ICMEC. You're basically taking anything I say and try to find some reason why it doesn't "prove" you wrong. I'm merely stating that the things you consider as fact are not actually facts. It's all speculation.


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What is the "this" you're referring to in the first sentence? Lala was addressing your point that there are lolicons in anime culture also. If the way Lala is processing the fact that there are several established pedophiles, molesters, and rapists surrounding these people wrong, you should at least explain why because that's a pretty grand statement. John Podesta himself casually attests to his concurrent relationship with another rapist which Lala didn't mention earlier. The sources Lala linked are from New York Times, CNN and New York Post, do you trust these sources? It's only normal to investigate the people of the same community, otherwise we would have never known that the entire football team was in on Steubenville High School rape case either.


"This" as in your entire argument with linking things that do not correlate with one another. This is how you (and most people who are "pizzagate believers") analyze the information you have in front of you:



<scenario A> means that <person A> is <adjective>
<secnario A> does not support <adjective> directly, but gives the suspicion of <adjective> therefore it is true.
<scenario B> has images that supports that <person A> is <adjective>, but source of <scenario B> is unknown, but because we think that <adjective> is true because of the earlier "fact" we created then <scenario B> does not require additional creditability.


This is considered a "slippery slope". If you're curious as to why I keep using this term, see here: https://www.embl.de/aboutus/science_society/discussion/discussion_2004/ref14may04.pdf (this is not a professional documentation, but a paper I've found online that explains the logical fallacy that is a "slippery slope"). Ultimately, you're falling into a trap of repeating yourself because you believe these things to be "facts" where they're just weak correlations because you believe it.


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1.) Lala thinks that saying that they don't have time to address the legitimacy of the emails is a pretty weak argument. It's pretty easy to falsify a set of specific emails. In fact, John Podesta hasn't made a public appearance for almost a month now. What is he doing? To call the Wikileaks emails fake is illogical, and it's no wonder you don't believe in Pizzagate if you're still stuck at this point.


It looks like you've only skipped over my statement here.
My point is the emails have not been confirmed to be absolutely true nor have they been confirmed to be absolutely false. Speculation from the emails can only be just that, speculation. Unless someone outright said, "Hey, pick up a kid and bring him back here for lunch so I can have sex with him" - it's not even a breadcrumb that can easily be followed.


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2.) It is a fact because there's backed evidence, similar to the fact that leaves are green because it looks green. Lala would like to point you back to the first paragraph of this post, and to argue against this fact is to believe that John Podesta collects grotesque images of underaged children for purposes other than pedophilia. Lala asks if you've heard of Occam's Razor, because Lala thinks it applies here, and it's necessary to accept this fact in order to proceed with the investigations before it's all too late. Children's lives are at stake, and they won't be able to wait for long.


Occam's Razor doesn't apply here, Lala. You're discrediting someone and marking them as a criminal because it's the easiest possible explanation. The correlations are simply too vague to actually apply Occam's Razor in a scientifically sound way.


" It is a fact because there's backed evidence, similar to the fact that leaves are green because it looks green."


Not quite. Where is this "backed evidence" of yours to be able to paint such a wide stroke that would allow for Occam's Razor to be sufficient in this conversation? Your "backed evidence" is merely repeated information from /r/The_Donald which is filled with confirmation bias.


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3.) It's quite clear to Lala that either you haven't read the emails, or you're filtering out the important ones because you don't want to believe what's in front of you. Is it better to play dominos on pizza than on pasta? Lala would like you to answer this unsolved mystery, and this will show whether you're taking this seriously at all.


I've read the emails and all of the proclaimed "evidence" that is laid out in this thread and on /r/The_Donald. "Is it better to play dominos on pizza than on pasta" - ah, yes, the notorious quotation from Podesta's email to Herbert and Marion Sandler of the Sandler Foundation.
Word salad would not befit any type of conspiracy, would it? Considering these are monitored emails in more than one way, why would he insert such prominent word salad if he was trying to remain "incognito"? While there may be some BDSM-related terminology here, the speculation that there's code words for pederasty here is pretty weak; outside of user-generated pages that have mysteriously been upvoted since the election period (like Urban Dictionary's definition of "cheese"). I want to answer your question with a question:

If Podesta was meant to be part of an undercover sex ring or child trafficking ring, why would several reporters know about it as well as his entire family? -- (source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/35581)

All of the word salad phrases used are used with people that aren't really "high up" on the totem pole, nor are they really important whatsoever in the mainstream media. Some of the Podesta e-mails (I've read about 700 e-mails on my own, not including the ones linked throughout the conspiracy theory posts on Reddit and INFO WARS) have these same so-called "code words" and phrases in them to people who are merely supporters of Clinton - or "managers/supervisors" of DNC SuperPACs (almost as low as you can go on the political totem pole). They know what he's talking about, there's talk of dinners and conversations, and some of them have stepped forward explaining that it was merely about organized dinners.

Wait, maybe I should use Occam's Razor here - "He's sixty-seven years old. Word salad is a symptom of Dementia and Alzheimer's, which are the easiest correlations because he's been treated for onset dementia before." (see? Occam's Razor cannot be applied conveniently like that without sounding asinine).


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So assuming that a person who collects grotesque images of under-aged children is a pedophile, that somebody who uses established pedophile code-words in manners that make no contextual sense is using code-words, and that the Wikileaks emails are legitimate because they've been legitimized by the actual people in question is "overthinking" to you. Lala thinks the brain can do wonders, because to Lala that's the most simplest conclusion possible.


Yes, because there's little evidence of the "grotesque images of underaged children" in his house, nor using established pedophile codewords without context. Wikileaks emails have been classified as fully legimate because they're not able to be legitimized due to it coming from an unknown source (Wikileaks didn't hack Podesta's e-mail, therefore the source themselves could be sketchy). And this is what I mean by "overthinking". You're using fuzzy logic processes to formulate a theory. Said fuzzy logic is due to confirmation bias from emails that were illegally leaked from an unknown source who could have political reasons for not only hacking them but leaking them as well while being placed under scrutiny by people who use Google as their sole source of knowledge ......... yes, that's "overthinking". That's basically people wanting to see these things as facts because it's the "most simplest conclusion possible" (your words, not mine).

I'll repeat myself: the things you're spewing as "facts" are still merely bits of speculation. Just like if I held a leaf in my hand without showing you a picture of it, it may or may not be green. You can speculate that it's green because I say it "looks green" but it could be brown or red; since I'd be color blind while describing it to you. (in reference to the whole "similar to the fact that leaves are green because it looks green" analogy).

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Regarding the rest of your response - tunnels under the ground of NW Connecticut Ave? Yeah, you should really go to Washington DC and walk along Connecticut Ave. See how connected the newer buildings are to the DC Metro. Keep in mind that Comet's building was constructed in 2004. Blueprints were registered and not forged; but nobody's brought that up either (the fact that you can walk into local courthouse and get a copy of the blueprints). Because of how cities are, even the secret passages in some of the earliest built houses are listed in the blueprints (because in the past, it was required but these records weren't public until much later). Your examples are non sequitur - unrelated to the topic and just trying to add substance to a baseless argument that "it can happen, so this probably is happening" (which would contribute to your liberal reference of Occam's Razor in your response).

Witness accounts amount to nothing when you're trying to get a case to be investigated. You need evidence, the real kind. Not a photoshop of a few articles clipped together with someone using MS Paint to show "correlation".
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Your posts are so hard to get through I have to hold back the urge to vomit when every sentences starts with Lala *insert word here*
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Your posts are so hard to get through I have to hold back the urge to vomit when every sentences starts with Lala *insert word here*


It just seems that Lala likes to remain in character. Some Japanese dialects are done in the third person. So, Lala speaks of him/her-self in the third person. That's how it is.
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Kerst wrote:

Your posts are so hard to get through I have to hold back the urge to vomit when every sentences starts with Lala *insert word here*


It just seems that Lala likes to remain in character. Some Japanese dialects are done in the third person. So, Lala speaks of him/her-self in the third person. That's how it is.


She's doing it to be cute. Its irritating.
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