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With the recent axes of Bleach, Love Rush & Red Sprite, I have seen nothing but comments such as: "Fuck Jump!" "Why did Jump do that?" "I'm boycotting Jump!"

If you take a look at our history, Shonen Jump has always cancelled series that don't make the cut, it's nothing new at this point. Just looking at a brief history thanks to @MarquisNYC in another thread, there's a clear pattern of what comes and what stays:

2012: Shokugeki No Soma over Hungry Joker and Kiruko-San
2014: My Hero Academia over Three Headed Condor and Yoakemono
2015: Black Clover over Cyborg Roggy and Ultra Battle Satellite
2015: Welcome To Shika High over Devilyman and Lady Justice
2016: Promised Neverland over Love Rush and Red Sprite

Are people forgetting that not every series can stay? That every magazine only has so many spots it can fill? That authors fight for that open spot? That Weekly Shonen Jump is the most popular manga magazine of all time and that authors would KILL to get a permanent spot so they can get recognized? I'm confused as to why everyone is completely crapping on this magazine when it's nothing new for what they're doing. Sure, it may suck that what you were reading got the ax, but it's nobody's fault other than circumstances. Reader polls have always determined which manga gets priority over the other. Were people just not paying attention until the big debacle w/ Bleach?

What are some of your thoughts on the matter? I'm really curious as to why people are blowing this out of proportion.
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My opinion on this as 2 main point and I'm using people from my entourage and myself as a reference.

1-WSJ are now older and with the internet, they are now more involved then ever in what series are added to JUMP hence why they are more emotional to whatever series is added/cancelled.

2-Before the main flag of JUMP where HUGE, Bleach, Naruto and One piece had all the attention. Now that 2/3 are gone, the less seen series get more attention and thats maybe why people react more then before to these cancelled series.

Me for example I started following jump(the whole magazine, not just the big 3 and buying the GN of released title I liked like MHA) this year, will yes I had a concept of cancelled series, since these titles were smaller I never really noticed them until it was really too late. Unlike let's say Red Sprite which I saw start, struggle and die, so it getting axed bug me more. Also Viz's SJ gave more a voice recently on whats added in the magazine.

Maybe I'm completely off, but that is my opinion on this.
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Mainly because they believe they are not given them a chance. The thing is Jump did give them a chance and the fault is the author/writers. Jump is doing what business companies are suppose to be doing. Now for the mangas that got cut:
Hungry Joker premise seem to me would had been a waste of time.
Kiruko-San seem to me was a Rom/Com and Jump already had one at that time.
Three headed condor and yoakemono both had good premise but the art was lacking a bit. So they could not complete with MHA art and premise.
Devily-man should been a straight upcomedy manga.
Ultra Battle Satellite should had never been in Jump in the beginning. It should had been Seinen.
Lady Justice seem to me a Rom with action. So it could had benefit in a different magazine.
Love Rush is a Rom/Com that people just did not want. I believe Jump needs to stop with the Rom/Com genre for a while.
Red Spirte had promise. That is all I can say about it.
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Posted 17 days ago
I think one of the major qualms I have with Jump is that user polls are demographically skewed, and so when you come across a series that appeals readers who are not of the majority, it will, inevitably, be cut. That is an unfortunate repercussion of limited foresight and selecting for publication series outside of the norm, on Jump's part. It is also somewhat disappointing that they don't fully branch out in the digital capacity, as some series that are cut are reviewed favorably enough for Jump to profit off of as a digital-only service with periodic print as tankobon. The "limited" space available to a magazine is an outdated concept. I don't think it would be all too bad for Jump to broaden its horizons as a publisher.

It's unfortunate, but there's nothing that can be done about it--someone will always be interested in a series that is going to get dropped.
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I'm fucking glad Red Sprite got shitcanned. Generic story with below standard artwork? No thanks. The Promised Neverland isn't exactly a visual tour de force either, but it more than makes up for it with a thrilling plot, creative scenarios and endearing characters. I honestly might just drop Black Clover and Kiss Him not Me just so I can have the time and money to read it.
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I'm fucking glad Red Sprite got shitcanned. Generic story with below standard artwork? No thanks. The Promised Neverland isn't exactly a visual tour de force either, but it more than makes up for it with a thrilling plot, creative scenarios and endearing characters. I honestly might just drop Black Clover and Kiss Him not Me just so I can have the time and money to read it.


To be fair, most SJ manga is generic, and some that just won't end
have artwork that leaves a lot to be desired, yet they manage to survive. I won't judge RS on the panel layout or the overly simplistic style; I rather liked the character designs and story, but the pacing is awkward.
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Posted 17 days ago

PandAndy wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

I'm fucking glad Red Sprite got shitcanned. Generic story with below standard artwork? No thanks. The Promised Neverland isn't exactly a visual tour de force either, but it more than makes up for it with a thrilling plot, creative scenarios and endearing characters. I honestly might just drop Black Clover and Kiss Him not Me just so I can have the time and money to read it.


To be fair, most SJ manga is generic, and some that just won't end
have artwork that leaves a lot to be desired, yet they manage to survive. I won't judge RS on the panel layout or the overly simplistic style; I rather liked the character designs and story, but the pacing is awkward.


Many sj manga are pretty generic, true, but I do not recall ever seeing art in the magazine that fell as flat as the mangaka for red sprite. The only example I can think of is some of the more recent chapters of HunterxHunter where the art is reduced to chicken scratches at times. And in that case I think we can agree that extenuating circunstabces are mostly to blame. Totally disagree about the character designs as well. Aside from the main character and the red sprite's (the ship) scientist dude I struggle to remember a single character design. Okay, I remember the villain's design but that isn't exactly what I would call good.
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Posted 17 days ago

octorockandroll wrote:


PandAndy wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

I'm fucking glad Red Sprite got shitcanned. Generic story with below standard artwork? No thanks. The Promised Neverland isn't exactly a visual tour de force either, but it more than makes up for it with a thrilling plot, creative scenarios and endearing characters. I honestly might just drop Black Clover and Kiss Him not Me just so I can have the time and money to read it.


To be fair, most SJ manga is generic, and some that just won't end
have artwork that leaves a lot to be desired, yet they manage to survive. I won't judge RS on the panel layout or the overly simplistic style; I rather liked the character designs and story, but the pacing is awkward.


Many sj manga are pretty generic, true, but I do not recall ever seeing art in the magazine that fell as flat as the mangaka for red sprite. The only example I can think of is some of the more recent chapters of HunterxHunter where the art is reduced to chicken scratches at times. And in that case I think we can agree that extenuating circunstabces are mostly to blame. Totally disagree about the character designs as well. Aside from the main character and the red sprite's (the ship) scientist dude I struggle to remember a single character design. Okay, I remember the villain's design but that isn't exactly what I would call good.


I'd agree, there aren't many that fall flat on artwork. Exceptions that I might consider are One Piece and Shaman King, but those are because the artists were consistently inconsistent. SK, similarly, wastes a lot of page space and at times goes from very elaborate artwork to blank backgrounds and very plain characters. It's pretty much the same with OP; at times, you're wowed; at others, you're asking "wtf is this shit?" but that's really a subjective opinion.
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I think you answered this yourself. Its because they are uninformed. Seriously, I knew 18 months ago when the another arc started that Toriko had been cancelled, it should not have been a surprise to anyone following it. Massive dive in quality, accompanied by a massive increase in pace, plus the low rankings. The same thing happened to Bleach, but Kubo didnt wrap it up in the given time frame. If you had seen the rankings, you would know it had been consistently in the bottom for 4 years, it wouldnt have been a surprise. Yes they treated Kubo badly, but just think about how much leeway he would have had because it is Bleach and it was so massive. Shueisha are hardly entirely blamable.

By the third chapter of Red Sprite, most people had judged it as fodder and that it would be cancelled. The series literally only had its setting going for it. After 13 chapters, i know 3 characters names, although nothing really about those characters at all. It has done a terrible job at story and character building and The fights end almost instantly and are super unsatisfying. It was a cool concept, but executed terribly, therefore it got axed. Compare that to The Promised Neverland, and after 15 chapters we have the main 3, Don, Gilda, Mum and Sister who we know a lot about their characters and how they interact. The story hasnt had action, but it has done a great job at world and character building. You feel something when reading it unlike Red Sprite, there is suspense and emotion. Love Rush just came in at the wrong time. Nothing overly bad about it, but nothing to make it stick. Its all about execution.

Just because 2 series got the axe, and a lot of people are following Red Sprite because its "Bleaches replacement" when its not and which also got axed, they act like its unacceptable and something new. If you actually look at it, Jump hasnt axed any more series this year than last, its just because so many mainstays ended at once that people are going crazy.

They do this because its successful. Theyre series are known. Otherwise you get stuff like Magazine and Sunday where half the series are unknown because they hardly sell, even to people who have been following Manga for a long time.
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Strange, I always laid the blame on the readers since titles being dropped were due to lack of popularity polls (surveys).


2015: Black Clover over Cyborg Roggy and Ultra Battle Satellite


Don't know if this is the best example since since the title gets as much hate as it does love with the most common complaint being that it's way to generic and unimaginative. That being said, I really do enjoy the series.
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Jump has a very high turnover rate. It has always had one.

But there are some series that can last a surprisingly long time. Psyren, Straighten Up, and Hinomaru Zumou, being good examples of that. It's not that everything not super popular is dropped, it's just that the canceled series were not offering enough to the readers. There's nothing sinister happening here.

If you want a current running manga in Jump not getting a lot of play from fans, I might suggest Kimetsu no Yaiba. It has its own flavor, but almost no one talks about it.
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Well, people tend to forget that in business there is no compassion, and that when a series doesn't sale or isn't popular anymore...it must go
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Posted 15 days ago

PandAndy wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Many sj manga are pretty generic, true, but I do not recall ever seeing art in the magazine that fell as flat as the mangaka for red sprite. The only example I can think of is some of the more recent chapters of HunterxHunter where the art is reduced to chicken scratches at times. And in that case I think we can agree that extenuating circumstances are mostly to blame. Totally disagree about the character designs as well. Aside from the main character and the red sprite's (the ship) scientist dude I struggle to remember a single character design. Okay, I remember the villain's design but that isn't exactly what I would call good.


I'd agree, there aren't many that fall flat on artwork. Exceptions that I might consider are One Piece and Shaman King, but those are because the artists were consistently inconsistent. SK, similarly, wastes a lot of page space and at times goes from very elaborate artwork to blank backgrounds and very plain characters. It's pretty much the same with OP; at times, you're wowed; at others, you're asking "wtf is this shit?" but that's really a subjective opinion.


Totally disagree about One Piece, sure the backgrounds can be a bit inconsistent at times (although that's mostly just early on) but the series is still what I would consider a near masterpiece of artwork, if not a masterpiece all together. Oda understands how to use the medium better than almost any other artist that's currently in the industry. Each major island looks unique, we're always seeing new and creative fauna and every page is practically overflowing with personality. Not to mention the flow of the panels as well as the perspectives from which the actions are presented. In fact, many of the characters' powers seem to be tied to making panels in which they use their talents seem badass. Luffy's stretching abilities, for just one example, allows Oda to create a feel of depth that emphasizes the impact of his attacks



Oda capitalizes on the creative uses of the medium at just about every turn and makes everything unique and cool. Things don't just happen normally in OP, they almost always have a new and weird idea moving them forward. Even when it's something as simple as Luffy talking to Usopp, Luffy doesn't just walk up to him, he waits for Usopp to sit down by a tree and then hanging upside down from said tree to surprise him. The artwork is inventive and creative, and it's what makes One Piece stand out and deserve it's status as the best selling manga of all time.

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What I've seen is that those that blame Jump aren't really familiar with the process of how Jump decides if a series continues or not
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Stats of Axed manga per year since 2012-2015. For Survived see note
2012: Survived- Haikyuu(#12),PSI Kusuo Saiki(#24),Assassination Classroom[(#31) Shokugeki no Soma(#52)
Axed- Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa(#11), ST&RS(#18), Genson! Kodai Seibutsu-shi Pakki, (#23), Inumarudashi(#27), Magico(#22), Pajama na Kanojo(#41), Sensei no Bulge(#42), Takamagahara (#49), Hitman Reborn (#50), Noisome Momiji (#51)

Total Stats
Axed #:10 not including Nurarihyon no Mago
New Series: 12
Author Decision to End the series: 1- Bakuman (21/22)
Transfer Nurarihyon no Mago(#29)


2013: Survived: World Trigger(#11), Galactic Patrol Jako(#33), and Isobe (#47)
Axed: Kurogane (#9), Retsu!!! Date-Senpai(#10),Hungry Joker(#24),Shinmai Fukei Kiruko-san(#25),Cross Manage(#34), Koisuru Edison(#35) ,Mutou Black(#36), Smoky B.B (#41),Kurokuroku(#52), Hime-Dol!c#52)
Axed #:10/11*
Author Decision to End the series: 2- Sket Dance (32),Jaco(44)
Unsure about: Medaka Box (#22-23) Nature of it's axed.
New Series: 12

2014 Survived: Hinomaru Zumou (#26), Boku no Hero Academia, (#32)
Axed: Hachi(#12), Koi no Cupid Yakenohara Jin(#12), Beelzebub(#13), Iron Knight(#18),Tokyo Wonder Boys(#24), iShojo*(#32), Stealth Symphony (#33),Illegal Rare #41),Mitsukubi Condor(#49), Yoakemono#50)
Axed #: 11
Transfered: iShojo and Soul Catcher transferred to Shounen Jump +
Author Decision to End the series: Kuroko no Basuke(#40) , Naruto(#50)
New Series: 14

2015 Survived: Black Clover(#23), Naruto Gaiden 10 chapter mini series(#22/23), Sesuji wo Pin!(#24),Samon-kun wa Summoner (#43)
Axed Judos (#8), Hi-fi Cluster(#9),Sporting Salt(#10), E-Robot(#12),Takujou no Ageha (#22/23),Kaizou Ningen Roggy(#24),Ultra Battle Satellite(#31), Lady Justice (#41), Devily Man(#42), Kagamigami(#51), Best Blue (#52)
Axed #: 11
Author Decision to End :the series: Naruto Gaiden 10 chapter mini series
New Series: 13

Notes- will add debut issues for the new series tomorrow after work
Survived: For those in the current issue of 2016 or ended on the author decision
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