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PrinceJudar wrote:


redokami wrote:

That looks like a love hate relationship lol. So does he just try to ignore the holiday?i mean honestly why do we still have it


Something like that. We flirt through insults.



Nope, he celebrates it too. Fancy that. Who passes up food though? Really?



I do.
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Edit: Wow we're already starting on a hot topic.


Im tryin to make it not be


Well for me this holiday represents a moral and ethical dilemma on one hand the pilgrims invited them over for a feast and on the other hand the pilgrims' descendants would later go on to wipe out and exterminate their tribes. Not to mention America wouldn't be where it is today had they not been pushed out of their lands (Manifest Destiny and Louisiana Purchase). So in a really morbid sense we are giving thanks to the fact that we've exterminated them and on the other hand we're paying homage and tribute to the first meal or first meeting. Now that's dark as fuck.


Yeah I know I've been thinking this ever since reading history and trying to write fantasy stories with moral ethical dilemmas pretty neat stuff.
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Well for me this holiday represents a moral and ethical dilemma on one hand the pilgrims invited them over for a feast and on the other hand the pilgrims' descendants would later go on to wipe out and exterminate their tribes. Not to mention America wouldn't be where it is today had they not been pushed out of their lands (Manifest Destiny and Louisiana Purchase). So in a really morbid sense we are giving thanks to the fact that we've exterminated them and on the other hand we're paying homage and tribute to the first meal or first meeting. Now that's dark as fuck.


Yeah I know I've been thinking this ever since reading history and trying to write fantasy stories with moral ethical dilemmas pretty neat stuff.


As I have not been exterminated, consider your guilt lifted...
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Damn, I was gonna have this thing where I would post creepy shit like the grum videos and respond to inquiries like Hey Kids would, but apparently Grum only had one other appearance and the youtube channel has been terminated along with all its comments effectively ridding me of reference material.

Both are easily for the best though.
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Emtro wrote:


Adjacent-Taurus wrote:
Well for me this holiday represents a moral and ethical dilemma on one hand the pilgrims invited them over for a feast and on the other hand the pilgrims' descendants would later go on to wipe out and exterminate their tribes. Not to mention America wouldn't be where it is today had they not been pushed out of their lands (Manifest Destiny and Louisiana Purchase). So in a really morbid sense we are giving thanks to the fact that we've exterminated them and on the other hand we're paying homage and tribute to the first meal or first meeting. Now that's dark as fuck.


Yeah I know I've been thinking this ever since reading history and trying to write fantasy stories with moral ethical dilemmas pretty neat stuff.


As I have not been exterminated, consider your guilt lifted...


Its not guilt that I feel considering I'm not a descendant of the pilgrims. But I do find it fascinating when studying human history and human condition and it would make great material for my fictional stories. The thing is if I say what I wrote here to anybody irl they would think I'm racist or insane.
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Adjacent-Taurus wrote:

Its not guilt that I feel considering I'm not white. But I do find it fascinating when studying human history and human condition and it would make great material for my fictional stories. The thing is if I say what I wrote here to anybody irl they would think I'm racist or insane.


Or both, but most people don't really pay attention to history, or try to view it through the lens of their own biases.
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Adjacent-Taurus wrote:

Its not guilt that I feel considering I'm not a descendant of the pilgrims. But I do find it fascinating when studying human history and human condition and it would make great material for my fictional stories. The thing is if I say what I wrote here to anybody irl they would think I'm racist or insane.


The history of interactions between European colonists and the natives is always interesting stuff to read about because so much stuff happens. You've got alliances, vast fur trade networks extending across half the continent, intermarriages resulting in the creation of an entire new ethnic group in Canada (the Metis) and complicated diplomacy as the natives try to play the different empires against each other for their own benefit. Then you got lots of wars and shifting power dynamics because of European influence affecting relations between tribes.

Definitely good material for stories.


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My brother-in-law and my little niece, his daughter, celebrate Thanksgiving, so I figure it's safe to assume that, no, Native Americans aren't universally offended by it. My brother-in-law is Lakota. I cannot recall which tribe.
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PrinceJudar wrote:


redokami wrote:
I keep getting you and enjass mixed up lol use a pic
Why do you think we still celebrate it though?



Thanksgiving = Food
Christmas = Gifts/Shopping
Easter/Halloween = Candy
Other holidays = Day off work

That's why.





This, lol.

I'm not offended by it. For me, it's just a day off to eat food, watch anime, and play video games.
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According to history we Finns and native americans were really good friends.

Legend says that there was a bar where natives and Finns were not allowed to visit.
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Thanskgiving had a tradition of celebrating plentiful harvests. It didn't really originate with Plymouth, as many celebrations were held in Europe decades, maybe even centuries before. While it does recall that the reason the Plymouth and such were special were because of mutual cooperation in times of hardship, despite the common view that the white man being viewed as enemies by Native Americans.

I don't see how it is offensive.
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Calling Native Americans Indians is offensive to Native Americans.
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Calling Native Americans Indians is offensive to Native Americans.


If memory serves; referring to Native Americans as Indians was because Christopher Columbus mistook where he landed for India. What they actually referred to themselves as other than the ethnic term Native American is outside my realm of knowledge.
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redokami wrote:

I keep getting you and enjass mixed up lol use a pic
Why do you think we still celebrate it though?



For the same reasons that the mythical Jesus figure was magically born at the same time Saturnalia is going on. (but here I'm not saying anything about the person whom the myth was fashioned after, however)

People aint giving up their parties.
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Vahvi wrote:


Shazzadude wrote:

Calling Native Americans Indians is offensive to Native Americans.


If memory serves; referring to Native Americans as Indians was because Christopher Columbus mistook where he landed for India. What they actually referred to themselves as other than the ethnic term Native American is outside my realm of knowledge.


Sioux, Cherokee, etc, etc
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