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The line between "individual action" and "group action" is extremely fuzzy, especially when considering leaderless groups or groups without a strong organizational structure. The line typically is drawn, not where individuals are performing terroristic actions, but when the leaders of a group support or aid in these terroristic actions. Again, this makes things very difficult when dealing with such an amorphous group as BLM.

Overall, I don't believe we gain much from labeling the entire group as a "terrorist group" and it should be clear that a large portion of the group is not terroristic in nature. However, we should be less hesitant to label individuals as domestic terrorists when involved in certain crimes such as the killing of police officers.
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while white groups are called freedom fighters or such nonsense.



Okay, what group would that be?
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Aren't we talking about the black panthers, not black lives matter?
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


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while white groups are called freedom fighters or such nonsense.



Okay, what group would that be?

take your pick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_organizations_in_the_United_States
If any of these were a minority group they would be labeled terrorist and traitors. But since they are white they are viewed as misguided patriots

A traitor and terrorist by any other name is still...........well you get the idea

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Dogempire wrote:

Aren't we talking about the black panthers, not black lives matter?


They aren't exactly mutually exclusive m8


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take your pick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_organizations_in_the_United_States
If any of these were a minority group they would be labeled terrorist and traitors. But since they are white they are viewed as misguided patriots

A traitor and terrorist by any other name is still...........well you get the idea



'people practicing their constitutional rights are terrorists'
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Pretty sure it's not confirmed if he really is a black panther.


What, is there like some kind of initiation ritual or something?
If he said he was, that's all that matters.


That's not necessarily true. I've met lots of people who claimed to be something they were not, so that they could further their arguments, or add legitimacy to their claims.

And, even if they really were members, that does not mean that the whole organization had been leaning in that direction. The Black Panthers do exist, but do you think that they're gonna do things one married couple at a time? If it really was an organizational movement, we should have been seeing all kinds of coordinated actions, not just a lone wolf action.


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Dogempire wrote:

Aren't we talking about the black panthers, not black lives matter?


They aren't exactly mutually exclusive m8


BLM was a disorganized movement that started spontaneously in response to a perceived bias in police shooting Black people. The Black Panther movement is / was an organized movement with a doctrine, an agenda, and registered members. They are NOT THE SAME THING.

Stop lumping people, groups, and ideas into a single category. It does nothing to advance any meaningful dialog.

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That's not necessarily true. I've met lots of people who claimed to be something they were not, so that they could further their arguments, or add legitimacy to their claims.

And, even if they really were members, that does not mean that the whole organization had been leaning in that direction. The Black Panthers do exist, but do you think that they're gonna do things one married couple at a time? If it really was an organizational movement, we should have been seeing all kinds of coordinated actions, not just a lone wolf action.

BLM was a disorganized movement that started spontaneously in response to a perceived bias in police shooting Black people. The Black Panther movement is / was an organized movement with a doctrine, an agenda, and registered members. They are NOT THE SAME THING.

Stop lumping people, groups, and ideas into a single category. It does nothing to advance any meaningful dialog.



We've had our differences, but I have to applaud this entire post. Well said, sir!
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They are NOT THE SAME THING.




I didn't say they were, I said they weren't mutually exclusive.
Hence the picture of the terrorist Micah X, who the Dallas police chief said was 'upset over black lives matter', doing the black panther fist thing.
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the fist thing means black power, basically anyone can have -their ethnic- __ power except whites, Hispanic power black power Japanese power etc but as soon as we do it its racist

ive heard it be chanted while whites were beat up in milawaukee
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Send them through due process and, if they're convicted, send them to prison. If the Black Panthers are really connected to the incident beyond Edwards' and Dilligard's claims that they acted in their name then authorities should respond appropriately. Such behaviour is totally unacceptable, and I condemn it.

That said, this man shot up a church with explicit intent to spark a race war:



He stated in his manifesto that he was partly inspired by the Council of Conservative Citizens' website and that he was frustrated that white supremacists were relegating themselves to the domain of the internet rather than acting as he did.

This man detonated a bomb and shot up a youth camp intending to market a manifesto declaring feminism, "Cultural Marxism", and Islam enemies of Europe:



That salute was delivered at his trial. The intent of his crime and the intent of that salute were both to inspire people to follow in his footsteps and to spread his ideology. And there are people who are receptive to that ideology. There are multiple political movements that are accepting of and actively promoting the line of thinking espoused by Roof and Breivik, and they do organise into groups. In addition to the aforementioned Council of Conservative Citizens there's also the National Policy Institute, which delivered this lovely nugget in the Ronald Reagan building less than a week ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2sszhhPKQ

The full speech isn't any better, and may be found on YouTube with relative ease. Also, I laughed at the Native American picture at the end. Good point, technically.

Your turn, OP. Condemn them. Condemn them all.
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Send them through due process and, if they're convicted, send them to prison. If the Black Panthers are really connected to the incident beyond Edwards' and Dilligard's claims that they acted in their name then authorities should respond appropriately. Such behaviour is totally unacceptable, and I condemn it.

That said, this man shot up a church with explicit intent to spark a race war:



He stated in his manifesto that he was partly inspired by the Council of Conservative Citizens' website and that he was frustrated that white supremacists were relegating themselves to the domain of the internet rather than acting as he did.

This man detonated a bomb and shot up a youth camp intending to market a manifesto declaring feminism, "Cultural Marxism", and Islam enemies of Europe:



That salute was delivered at his trial. The intent of his crime and the intent of that salute were both to inspire people to follow in his footsteps and to spread his ideology. And there are people who are receptive to that ideology. There are multiple political movements that are accepting of and actively promoting the line of thinking espoused by Roof and Breivik, and they do organise into groups. In addition to the aforementioned Council of Conservative Citizens there's also the National Policy Institute, which delivered this lovely nugget in the Ronald Reagan building less than a week ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2sszhhPKQ

The full speech isn't any better, and may be found on YouTube with relative ease. Also, I laughed at the Native American picture at the end. Good point, technically.

Your turn, OP. Condemn them. Condemn them all.


I condemn them all despite what some users believe my beliefs are I just wish BLM and BP would be shut down
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Why isn't every single chapter of the KKK on a terrorist list? They have been doing this shit for years and the public has turned a blind eye to it


Because the actions of an individual do not represent the group apparently.
But seriously, the KKK has been nothing but FBI plants for decades.



Your bias shows in this comment. Label the other guys terrorists, but not the ones (the KKK/ like minded neo-nazis) that have done worse to american citizens than any other terrorist group. Don't forget the white christian radicals that attack planned parent hood centers, they are also terrorists.

Don't defend any one group, they're all bad.
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I condemn them all despite what some users believe my beliefs are I just wish BLM and BP would be shut down


There is good and bad in BLM. For my part, the good are those who take lessons from MLK and protest peacefully, putting forward well thought-out grievances and proposing substantive solutions to those grievances. The bad are those who cry out "Pigs in a blanket! Fry 'em like bacon!" and who attack police officers. The good should, in my view, collectively descend upon the bad and cast them out. Protestors responding to violence against them with retaliatory violence and protestors who initiate violence have no place in civil rights activism and are a millstone that weighs it down.
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SwordArt0nline wrote:

that have done worse to american citizens than any other terrorist group.




Citation needed.

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Thank god they are in jail


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