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Watched the vehicle carrier Hestia Leader make it's way up the Columbia this morning. Amused by the name.
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Heh...
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So Hestia Leader is bestia leader?
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And it has a blue "string" around its middle!

(To hold the large cargo it carries.)
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If there was a Bell Cranel boat, I'd....ship it.
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... not to be "that guy", but I certainly hope you all realize there is a goddess Hestia in ancient Greek mythology? The anime simply stole the name because it "sounded cool", just like numerous anime and manga steal western (often mythologically or historically significant) names and apply them to characters that have superficial resemblance or absolutely nothing to do with their namesakes.

Can pretty much guarantee the ship is named after the "real" Hestia, not the anime one.

*edit* oh, hey, look at that, NYK line also has a "Hermes Leader" operating under their flag. Yeah, going to go with "Greek inspired" on this one

*edit 2* Yeah, and an Apollo, Adonis, Argus, Artemis, Atlas, Daedalus, Delphinus... veritable cornucopia of Greek mythological names.

https://www.nykline.com/ecom/CUP_HOM_9000.do?sessLocale=en&staticUrl=%2Fecom%2Fstaticpage%2Fliner%2Ffleet_list%2Findex.html%3Fversion%3D1480291998068
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outontheop wrote:

... not to be "that guy", but I certainly hope you all realize there is a goddess Hestia in ancient Greek mythology? The anime simply stole the name because it "sounded cool", just like numerous anime and manga steal western (often mythologically or historically significant) names and apply them to characters that have superficial resemblance or absolutely nothing to do with their namesakes.

Can pretty much guarantee the ship is named after the "real" Hestia, not the anime one.

*edit* oh, hey, look at that, NYK line also has a "Hermes Leader" operating under their flag. Yeah, going to go with "Greek inspired" on this one

*edit 2* Yeah, and an Apollo, Adonis, Argus, Artemis, Atlas, Daedalus, Delphinus... veritable cornucopia of Greek mythological names.

https://www.nykline.com/ecom/CUP_HOM_9000.do?sessLocale=en&staticUrl=%2Fecom%2Fstaticpage%2Fliner%2Ffleet_list%2Findex.html%3Fversion%3D1480291998068


You, obviously have not watched "Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up A Girlfriend In A Dungeon," eh?

The characters are all based on Greek mythology gods. It wasn't a very accurate depiction of Greek mythology, but the anime was about Greek mythology gods and heros involved in RPG-ish dungeon raiding and leveling up.

You should go watch it. It was a very well written story with real good character development. The silliness of the title, and the fan-service-y character designs seems to hide the fact that it is a really well done show.
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outontheop wrote:

... not to be "that guy", but I certainly hope you all realize there is a goddess Hestia in ancient Greek mythology? The anime simply stole the name because it "sounded cool", just like numerous anime and manga steal western (often mythologically or historically significant) names and apply them to characters that have superficial resemblance or absolutely nothing to do with their namesakes.

Can pretty much guarantee the ship is named after the "real" Hestia, not the anime one.

*edit* oh, hey, look at that, NYK line also has a "Hermes Leader" operating under their flag. Yeah, going to go with "Greek inspired" on this one

*edit 2* Yeah, and an Apollo, Adonis, Argus, Artemis, Atlas, Daedalus, Delphinus... veritable cornucopia of Greek mythological names.

https://www.nykline.com/ecom/CUP_HOM_9000.do?sessLocale=en&staticUrl=%2Fecom%2Fstaticpage%2Fliner%2Ffleet_list%2Findex.html%3Fversion%3D1480291998068


You, obviously have not watched "Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up A Girlfriend In A Dungeon," eh?

The characters are all based on Greek mythology gods. It wasn't a very accurate depiction of Greek mythology, but the anime was about Greek mythology gods and heros involved in RPG-ish dungeon raiding and leveling up.

You should go watch it. It was a very well written story with real good character development. The silliness of the title, and the fan-service-y character designs seems to hide the fact that it is a really well done show.


U tripping m8?

Yeah, I've seen the series. It was a fun fluff series. Little of substance or historical tie-in about it.

The characters are "based on Greek mythology gods" in the sense that the characters in "Tower of Druaga" are based on mesopotamian mythology


Or are the characters in "Scrapped Princess" are based on significant firearms manufacturers of the 20th century?

No, the anime Hestia is a goddess... named Hestia. Not a whole lot more significance there. The real Greek gods didn't seal away their divine power to live among humans. The series is just a run-of-the-mill fantasy pap that happens to use the names of Greek gods. They aren't even consistent in that: the strongest familia is the LOKI familia, named after a NORSE, not Greek, god (and not even a particularly strong god in the Norse pantheon!) Oh, and for some reason (I presume fanservice), Loki is gender-swapped. Totally just like the real one, amirite? At least their Hephaestus was a master artificer. Never mind that their Hephaestus was *also* gender swapped, was not lamed, and does not hold Aphrodite as (unwilling) consort.

I mean, unless you think that the horses named "parabellum" and "Makarov" in Scrapped Princess are ALSO symbolic of something, rather than just the theft of a "matching set" of names just because they "sound cool"


No, I say "superficial resemblance", and I'm sticking to it. The anime characters have only the most passing similarity to their namesakes. If any of those anime characters had been given a different name, would you have ever gone "hey, that character reminds me of _____"? No, you would not have. Superficial resemblance.
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I kind of wish you would not have been "That guy", as many already know most or all of what you just "enlightened" us with. Is it wrong, then, in your opinion, to enjoy something where a character is named after a famous mythological or historical figure? I'm guessing the OP did not mean for this to be taken seriously, and meant it all in good fun.

To OP, this is a hilarious find!! XD haha!!
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I kind of wish you would not have been "That guy", as many already know most or all of what you just "enlightened" us with. Is it wrong, then, in your opinion, to enjoy something where a character is named after a famous mythological or historical figure? I'm guessing the OP did not mean for this to be taken seriously, and meant it all in good fun.

To OP, this is a hilarious find!! XD haha!!


Oh hai there.

Done signaling your virtue yet? Have anything of substance to add to the discussion?

Seriously, the only reason I even mentioned being "that guy" is in the (apparently vain) attempt to convince one of you not to bother commenting about me being "that guy". But alas, there is always one of you. The self-appointed white knight, here to declare everyone's opinions for them. Oh, mighty lord jordan, forgive me as I tremble in awe of your omniscience, ye who knows exactly what everyone on CR does and does not know, and what they do and do not find interesting. I had no idea that ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE on CR knows who Hestia is in the Greek pantheon, nor was I aware no one here is interested in learning anything new. Please, I beseech you, teach me of thine thoughtcrime, that I never dare state an opinion ever again!

Seriously, dude. The weather nice way up on that horse?


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I kind of wish you would not have been "That guy", as many already know most or all of what you just "enlightened" us with.


Feigned intellectual superiority. Emphasized through quotations around "enlightened", in an effort to delegitimize the fact that I *was* saying something that people might not have known, and might have found interesting. The OP referred to Hestia as "an anime goddess" and pointed out the name as "amusing". Nothing else, just that the name "Hestia" on a ship was amusing somehow. Which implies to me that he may not actually have known it was a Greek goddess, because while naming a ship after an anime character certainly seems quirky, naming one after a mythological goddess is... well, pretty mundane in my opinion. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a vessel named "Amaterasu Maru" or "Shiva" or "Zoroaster". None of those would strike me as particularly humorous.


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Is it wrong, then, in your opinion, to enjoy something where a character is named after a famous mythological or historical figure?


Sorry, did I ever say that? I enjoyed the series plenty- but I am capable of simultaneously enjoying it and acknowledging that the series had very little to do with Greek mythology, and that naming the characters after mythological figures did not add anything to the series. They could have literally made up names, and it would have made the series no less enjoyable. In fact, it might have helped, because when you consistently use names that have established stories, personalities, and aspects already associated with the name, it is a little jarring when the character doesn't live up to them... and if you're not going to actually *use* the pre-existing bits associated with the name, why bother using it? It is lazy writing.

I don't hate "cultural appropriation", if that's what you're getting at. I hate lazy storytelling that fails to do anything interesting with the names it gives a character. If you want to use a pre-existing mythological character as a basis for a re-interpretation, fine, go on with your bad self. Reimagine Thor as an alien superhero. Imply that the cultural memory of a Battlestar crew from a super-advanced culture are the inspiration for Greek pantheon. But for fuck's sake, *write around the pre-existing mythology in a way that makes the character more interesting*, don't just ignore the mythology and make up shit whole cloth. That's lazy storytelling, and instead of employing the audience's preconceptions, it's completely ignoring the cultural expectations of the audience. I cant's STAND lazy storytelling.


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I'm guessing the OP did not mean for this to be taken seriously, and meant it all in good fun.


No shit? That's why I acknowledged that by saying I was going to be "that guy"


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To OP, this is a hilarious find!! XD haha!!


"hey everyone, look how supportive I am! Look at all my virtue, everyone!"
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Lord_Jordan wrote:
To OP, this is a hilarious find!! XD haha!!


"hey everyone, look how supportive I am! Look at all my virtue, everyone!"


And hey, look at ME! I got the Girls/Dungeon joke right away, because I'm such a niche core anime fan!
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Dude. Seriously. Stop it. You're taking a lighthearted topic of no consequence and turning it into a politico/religicus manifesto declaration.

If you're 21 or over, have a beer and relax. Go watch some anime and take it easy. Kay?
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Dude. Seriously. Stop it. You're taking a lighthearted topic of no consequence and turning it into a politico/religicus manifesto declaration.

If you're 21 or over, have a beer and relax. Go watch some anime and take it easy. Kay?


Dude. Seriously. If you want to debate the validity of what I've said, by all means go ahead, but don't give me that patronizing "calm down like me, your moral superior" bullshit.

Only, no one here has actually put forward *anything* that refutes the actual content of what I've said, only tried to shame me for saying it. Whatever; I hope your self-described moral superiority keeps you warm at night.

You made an arrogant assumption that I had not seen the series. You were wrong. You were factually wrong about the series having anything to do with Greek mythology. You have not made any actual rebuttal to my argument, you're just being butt hurt and trying to cede yourself the moral highground.
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outontheop wrote:

Lord_Jordan wrote:
To OP, this is a hilarious find!! XD haha!!


"hey everyone, look how supportive I am! Look at all my virtue, everyone!"


And hey, look at ME! I got the Girls/Dungeon joke right away, because I'm such a niche core anime fan!


Now, the blue string quip actually *did* make me chuckle, because unlike simply noting that it was called the "Hestia", THAT comment noted a visual similarity, and used that similarity to comic effect by employing it to affect a pun.

... but simply noting the ship is called the Hestia? Yeah... and?
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All those who think outontheop has had too much caffeen, vote aye....
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