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people mistake me for an atheist because I call out the abrahamic root's usage of magic lodge grimiore declared as creator of heaven and earth. spirits are real, but...all abrahamic religions are built on fraud and manipulation. all of them.


That makes you a pagan, not an atheist.
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Atheist. Nothing "made me not believe." I just never really did believe, despite having been being fairly accepting off the possibility of god(s) since a young age. Many atheists do harbor resentment against religion(s) and feel like they were "betrayed" on some level, leading some to feel like it's their mission or something to "save" people from religion. I don't. I missed both the "religious awakening train," as well as the "atheistic, sob-story schooner."
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Can't relate, I'm a full believer.
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octorockandroll wrote:

Where's a "this thread gave me cancer" meme when you see one?


It's right here!

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yeah english is my 3rd language in serious note.


(And you wonder why I pick on foreign posters...)
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Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Where's a "this thread gave me cancer" meme when you see one?


It's right here!



Ah, thank you. Now I can accurately express my feelings towards this thread.
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I have to agree with Oats...atheists and the religious both have strong beliefs, with no proof whatsoever. they are exactly the same. no difference

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I have to agree with Oats...atheists and the religious both have strong beliefs, with no proof whatsoever. they are exactly the same. no difference



A lack of proof from the antithesis is proof though -_-
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I'm a atheist, because fuck god.
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There is no proof that any god exists therefore the logical conclusion is that no god exists.

I reached that conclusion at a very young age, my parents made it clear to me that I could follow any faith I felt was right but after years of searching none of them were. Choosing one just because I liked it seemed silly (I can choose to believe that a giant pink hippopotamus lives on mars but that doesn't make it true) and even if I liked the beliefs there was no way I could know if I had chosen correctly. Things got worse once I started learning more about history, there was no Jesus in the stone age and no Allah in ancient Egypt so why does everyone just accept that Ra, Zeus, and Thor were all fake but believe in the giant bearded father figures that weren't even thought up until 2000 years ago (barely a third of recorded human history and a fraction of total human existence) without question. Finally I realized that the modern gods were just like Zeus and all the rest and in another 2 millennia or so they will likely have been forgotten or forsaken for yet another new set of beliefs.
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Unless you meant astrology (star signs and all that) in which case that just verifiable bulls**t based on ancient superstition and is the equivalent of believing that the number of magpies you see will tell you how much jam to put on your crumpets (I'm not British so I may have gotten that wrong but f**k it).
Posted 8 days ago , edited 8 days ago

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RaisedInACult wrote:

people mistake me for an atheist because I call out the abrahamic root's usage of magic lodge grimiore declared as creator of heaven and earth. spirits are real, but...all abrahamic religions are built on fraud and manipulation. all of them.


That makes you a pagan, not an atheist.


that's funny, because I never thought of myself as pagan or identified with any of it, although I will say that I identify with many more religions than the perverted abrahamic ones.

but I am a chip off the allspark, just as we all are, and that flies in the face of pretty much all abrahamism teaches.



"proofs" are personal and subjective, because nobody can get a glimpse at your consciousness. nobody accesses YOUR "that which sees."

proof, I have for myself, but it cannot be proof for anyone else.

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trollbutter wrote:

I have to agree with Oats...atheists and the religious both have strong beliefs, with no proof whatsoever. they are exactly the same. no difference



Atheism is one step around one belief. That God doesn't exist.

Religion, is a couple of steps around 2 central ideas. That God Exists, and that we know what God wants. This natural include a whole number of texts, things to believe in, etc.

I believe that it is human nature to profess they know what to believe, but it is just a byproduct of evolution. Vsauce did a great video on why people are so accepting of a bad or good certainty vs an unknown variable. It is a survival mechanism, to act on the prescience or belief of some danger kept us alive, but I find it to be rudimentary and vestigial these days.

Another text, by William Clifford, outlines the idea that it is utterly irresponsible to say things with certainty without a shred of evidence to support it.

I think Clifford has a point. It is reckless to believe things you have no evidence for. The only difference I see, between atheism and Islam, Christianity, etc, is the number of assumptions being made without evidence. A bit of Occam's Razor.

This is why I tend to have more respect for Atheism, because they are entertaining the many novel ideas and laws of a fickle god. This is not to say that I disrespect religion, but rather an acknowledgement of my own biases.
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jmaren wrote:

OP - Is English not your first language ? I'm not sure what you're asking.


yeah english is my 3rd language in serious note.

but what I was trying to say was

If you are an Atheologists why dont you believe in god ?


You just answered your own question. The keyword is believe. People believe what they believe and no amount of arguing is likely to change that. Personally I don't like titles. Agnostic, Atheist, Christian, Mormon, Scott Baio, whatever. Some days I believe in a God but most days I don't. Honestly I really don't even care about the argument. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I don't care. The burden of proof lies with the believers not the other way around. Back in the old days they didn't make scientists who didn't believe in atoms try to prove they didn't exist now did they? When they created the atom bomb they didn't do so with a team that was trying to prove it couldn't be done. No, whoever believes in something bears the burden of proof.
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