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Posted 7/11/07
What triggered me making this topic is the incident that happened here at my computer shop awhile ago. Here it goes:

A 15-year old kid came by my shop. He said "Open time" on the counter. "Open time" means just watch his time as he rents the computer. Usually here in my country, you would tell the counter if you'd be just renting for an hour, two hours, and so. But when you say "open time", it means just mark the time I started and whenever I would stop renting.

He played for almost 7 hours. Then when he got up, he asked the counter how much his rent cost. He picked on his pocket. He found out that he lost his money. He said if he could escort me to the gasoline station. I presumed it was the gasoline station just two buildings away from us. Fine with me, but got a little suspicious, I thought of asking a street cop to escort us to the gas station. I told him to wait for me inside the shop iL go get someone. When the cop and I arrived at my shop, I told him the situation that this kid wants me to escort him to the gasoline station. When we agreed, he suddenly said that he wasnt pertaining to the near gasoline station. You know what he said? He was pertaining to a same corp gasoline station 10 kms away from our location!

That confirmed everything on my mind - He is a 1-2-3 kid. I dont know the word for it, but he intended to rent for free, and thought of getting away with it.

We, escorted by the cop, went to village-level (barangay) police substation. There, everything was cleared out - He didn't have the intention of paying in the first place. He plotted that he'd kick my butt and runaway from me, after stupidly escorting him to that gas station he was telling.

Grrrr. I shouldn't have taken him to the police substation. I should've taken care of him my way. Do you know how he behaved while we were at the station? He was relaxed and felt at home. Seems like that wasn't the first time he did that. He was even the one who volunteered that he'd clean the whole substation as punishment. There's more.

Later on, the chief told me that we really can't do anything about detaining that kid SINCE HE IS A MINOR. Normally if he was of adult age, they'd detain him for a day or three days. But since he is a minor, they can't. The only thing they did to him is to let him clean the whole hall station while being bullied by the so called "verdugo" of the station.

To tell you the truth, later on, after my rage has passed, i really didnt want to detain that kid anymore. What use is it getting a minor to an environment of criminals? It would only lure him more to the valley of thieves. Moreover he's crime wasnt serious. (But honestly it really pissed me off about that escort thing he wanted me to do.)

<Sigh> Look at all these minors doing these kinda stuff. That was just mild. Whattabout those kids who murder, those who steal, those who rape?! What the hell are our country's authorities gonna do about them. The chief told me that if I really want to detain that kid, I would turn the kid over to the welfare society. But he said he doubt if the welfare would admit that kid to the boys town since... there's no fund!

What I'm pointing here are not the minors who commit crime, but WHAT THE AUTHORITIES DO TO HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS.

Honestly, a dark side of me tells that... go ahead, just dispose of them, salvage them... yeah i know that the children are the future... but hell no! i dont want these kind of kids to share the same future with my kids someday... besides these kids, are somehow hopeless. With the environment that these kids live at, and the kind of people they interact, these kids really are hopeless. From small pickpocket crimes, they're definitely gonna be doing slay murder for your money one night in the future.

But... you really can never judge a seed when it's not yet there yet. You know why I feel sympathy to these kids - it's because I was one of them one part of my life. But never did I do crimes. I lived by myself by calling passengers for the jeeps around here. TO cut it short, honesty and loyalty brought me to being the manager of a commercial building and establishing my own shop later on.

Im not really asking for anything about this topic. Just comments. And just imparting to you my experience.
Posted 7/11/07
cool story.....
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lol i cant believe i jus read thta whole thing..
well if i were u i woulda hit that boy so hard lol but thats jus my temper talkin but..
i think u did the right thing lol
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32 / M / Iloilo City, PH
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Posted 7/11/07
brats like that should be well... whipped bloody... even with the curfew laws around here we still see kiddies running around smoking shit and getting pregnant well past the curfew hours... spoiled rich kids and their manipulative broke-ass free loading friends...
Posted 7/11/07
Urrr wow. >.>
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29 / M / Monterey
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Posted 7/11/07
philippines? hahaha
if i was there
i would seriously beat the shit out of a 15 year old kid(ok ok.. not to near death)
but just so he'd realize that he's still 15 and he's not as strong as he thinks he is lol

the authorities can't do anything, but you know what.. someone has to do something.. oh, and people.. don't give me that we should treat bad kids like some baby.. because that doesn't work on everyone(but neither does beating kids WAY TOO often)

that kid sounds like the type that will learn his lesson after an ass kicking or two though lol


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Yes I agree we should kill all the little kiddies that commit crimes. I mean I do think the laws should be more strict towards minors but not too much so. Also I don't understand how they go from pickpocketing you to killing you, that is a pretty big leap one you are just taking someones money the other you are actually taking someones life. I mean if what you believe to be true was there would be a lot more violent crime going on than there is.
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"Im not really asking for anything about this topic. Just comments. "
I smell a contradiction here.

So here's my comment: Relax. So he tried to trick you, oh the infamy of the youth!

Seriously, I thought only really old people conclude that a petty crime like this will inevitably lead to murder and rape. It's not that long ago that you were a kid, don't get ahead of yourself, you'll become a boring old ass soon enough. Anyway, I have commited a few petty crimes myself, I'm still not violent though. I once had to see a judge and he had me do some social work, I think it was 7 hours. It was okay.
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tl;dr, though I did skim. It seems like you contradict yourself a number of times. You talk about how you're pissed that the authorities didn't do shit to the kid and that you should have "taken care of him" your way. However, then you go on to say that you'd rather he didn't end up in jail. Also, the whole "you really can't judge them" bit is complete BS. Your whole post was doing nothing but judging this kid, as well as other kids who commit petty crimes. My 15 year old sister recently got caught shoplifting. I don't see how that means she's going to become some mass murderer.
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This is kinda hard to comment on, because there is a different situation for everyone. But I think that a big part of the reason why more minors are committing crimes is because they have a lack of supervision. I know that sometimes kids are "bad seeds", but if a kid has proper supervision, and is being watched and checked up on by their parents. Then they have less chance of getting caught up with those things. So I think that while the child is a minor, it is also the parents responsibility.
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37 / F / Fort Meade, MD
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Posted 7/11/07
Unfortunately it seems that your country doesn't have very good laws pertaining to minors who commit crimes.
However, that crime doesn't seem so terrible.

Kids who commit crimes n the US, if they are over a certain age, they can be tried as adults, depending on the crime.

For example:
A 14 year old steals a gun from his dad, with the intention to shoot someone. This 14 yr old does it. He shoots another 14 yr old in the head, killing him.
The 14 who commited the crime would be tried as an adult. He knew full well the responisiblities of his actions.

He wouldn't however be placed into adult jail. He would be placed into a high security juvenile detention center. Similar to jail, but with education and rehabilitiaion to help the kids who commit these crimes. a slightly less harsh punsihment, but the kid (if he ever obtains parole) would have a felony on his record and significantly effect the rest of his life.

For stealing:
A friend of the family had to deal with this with her own son:
we'll call him "M"
M stole some stuff from wal-mart. he got caught.
Wal-mart was going to press charges.
M's Mom showed up, and convinced them NOT to press charges and he returned the items, and she paid for them (why he had to return them if she paid for them i dunno)
But to keep her son from being prosecuted she elected to assist him. He has NOT stolen anything since.

I've been one of those dumb kids who steals stuff as well... i never got caught, but I was never dumb enough to do it so openly.

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i was the only focused on that "plotted to kick my butt and runaway" huh? lol

but anyway. night ^__^;
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32 / M / Iloilo City, PH
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Posted 7/11/07
edit to above: if the kid has friends within 10 kms it would be easy to make a break for it then have him ice-picked, beaten with 2x2s or capped with makeshift weapons by his friends...

anyway my parents raised me well and all but somehow i started to get into a lot of trouble by the time i hit puberty... like the usual smoking and drinking, after a while solvent, pot and meth... yeah i was pretty fucked up by the time i was 15... hahaha...shit...

some of my friends experienced sleeping in jail for brawling... some had to be rehabilitated... one died of cardiac arrest for too much meth, several were arrested for suspected drug use... I was lucky that i was a fat and didn't arouse suspicion when the cops questioned me about meth...

we stole, we destroyed, we did a lot of crazy shit... but in the end we realized we got off lucky...

edit to duster: rubber cement, sometimes the propellant used for aerosol air-fresheners...
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Posted 7/11/07

manzi wrote:

after a while solvent, pot and meth...


Solvent? what the hell is that?
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Posted 7/11/07
Ranting about it on forums will get you nowhere.
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