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Posted 11/29/16


good post, lots of common sense, but its just lacking the view of the brick wall at the back of the theater
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Posted 11/29/16
I don't necessarily agree with this but if this does get passed when he's appointed into office, there's an easy way for this to not affect you.

Don't burn the damn flag.
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Posted 11/29/16

GamingGodzilla wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with this but if this does get passed when he's appointed into office, there's an easy way for this to not affect you.

Don't burn the damn flag.

You give up one freedom and they will take another then another and so on
and it's not like the flags were made in China right?
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Posted 11/29/16

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It's a piece of fabric utter bullshit.


Where you are you can be arrested for 'hate speech' on the internet. Why do you care about 'freeze peach'?
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Posted 11/29/16 , edited 11/29/16
I've deleted several posts that were part of an exchange consisting primarily of derogatory personal remarks and commentary about them.

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Posted 11/29/16

Amyas_Leigh wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senator Bob Bennett (R-UT), with original co-sponsor Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY).[1] Additional co-sponsors include Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Thomas Carper (D-DE). The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism. It called for a punishment of no more than one year in jail and a fine of no more than $100,000.[1][2][3]


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"with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism"

Context matters.
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Posted 11/29/16 , edited 11/29/16
No need to worry, the Supreme Court made it clear that it is unconstitutional.

Quite frankly, I don't hold those who burn the flag in high regard. My family like many others here are decedents of poor immigrants and this country gave us the opportunity to own a home and become members of the middle class through hard work.

That being said, if we are going to continue to have true Freedom of Speech we must continue to defend all speech, including stuff we personally feel is controversial or it is only a matter of time until the rest of us lose our voice; this is already happening in some Western countries...
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Posted 11/29/16 , edited 11/29/16
The guy is literally trump.
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Posted 11/29/16

sundin13 wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senator Bob Bennett (R-UT), with original co-sponsor Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY).[1] Additional co-sponsors include Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Thomas Carper (D-DE). The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism. It called for a punishment of no more than one year in jail and a fine of no more than $100,000.[1][2][3]


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"with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism"

Context matters.


There is no context save for disposing of a damaged flag that isn't intimidation or inciting violence.
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Posted 11/29/16 , edited 11/29/16
Flag burning is free speech? Sorry its burning property. Well in the hands of those protesters its trash, so burning trash. Hold up Burning trash on a road or on other peoples property even your own is a crime. What you know there is a loop hole that shows that burning flags can indeed be counted as a crime small fine but still how many times can they do a burning if they keep getting fined for it.
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Posted 11/29/16

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senator Bob Bennett (R-UT), with original co-sponsor Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY).[1] Additional co-sponsors include Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Thomas Carper (D-DE). The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism. It called for a punishment of no more than one year in jail and a fine of no more than $100,000.[1][2][3]


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"with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism"

Context matters.


There is no context save for disposing of a damaged flag that isn't intimidation or inciting violence.


I think most courts would put protest outside of those boundaries. While I do think that the language of said law is very poor (needs to more clearly define itself), there is context present which makes it quite different from saying "flag burning=crime".
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Posted 11/29/16

octorockandroll wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act_of_2005


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senator Bob Bennett (R-UT), with original co-sponsor Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY).[1] Additional co-sponsors include Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Thomas Carper (D-DE). The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism. It called for a punishment of no more than one year in jail and a fine of no more than $100,000.[1][2][3]


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Not sure what your point is here. It was only a proposed law that never passed. It failed (although by a slim margin, to its credit) as far as I am aware the Supreme Court's ruling in the case of the United States v. Eichmann still stands, stating that burning the flag was a constitutionally protected form of free speech.


Meaning the whole tweet was literally for nothing but served to get people to look up the "Flag protection act of 2005"
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Posted 11/29/16
"I support free speech, unless that speech is against me", basically.
Yeah I'd expect nothing less from someone so goddamn egocentric.
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Posted 12/11/16 , edited 12/11/16
You can't speak a flag into burning. Burning the flag while being a citizen means you're committing treason. Freedom of speech does not include a physical action. You can speak about how you wish "niggers could still be lynched", but you better not count your chickens before they hatch if you're planning on taking your black neighbor out to the woods for some good old "South style justice". You can be arrested for burning the flag. People have been.

K? Not everything is free speech. Because sometimes it takes more than a word to do it.
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Posted 12/12/16 , edited 12/12/16
Burning the US Flag is actually the only proper way to dispose of it according to the US Flag Code. Really bugs me when people are moronic and think that making burning the US Flag illegal would be a good and proper thing. If that happened then there would be no way to dispose of a flag, HERP A DERP!


§176. Respect for flag
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html

And btw, Trump talking or typing tweets with his grubby lil baby hands incites violence and intimidation, so maybe he should be locked up too lol.
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Posted 12/12/16 , edited 12/12/16



redokami wrote:


uncletim wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


uncletim wrote:

Right better watch out first thing to go is free speech then the guns then the Trump sheep will march willing through the gates of the camps


>Its a leftists care about the constitution when its convenient for them episode


and the right only care about one part of it ain't that right bubba? Why do I get the feeling you one of the first to march willingly through the gates



im all for free speech except burning a SYMBOL OF FREE SPEECH look at the irony of that,


Burning the flag is an act of protest, as long as it's done safely, it is protected by the Constitution. Should it be made illegal, I would be burning it, too.
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Posted 12/12/16
Coming from a family of military it kind of gets under my skin when I see anyone destroying our nations flag but I understand why they are upset and they are using it as a form of protest. It just irritates me when I see it happen.
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Posted 12/12/16
Trump, dumped again.
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