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Post Reply The madman did it! Carrier is keeping jobs in the USA!
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THE DONALD has done it! Carrier, based in Indiana, was planning on moving all 2000 jobs to Mexico. They already laid off hundreds and many people were worried about losing such a major factory in Indiana. He managed to negotiate a deal, along with thousands of his followers pelting them endlessly on social media, with Carrier to keep about half of the jobs in Indiana!

The madman isn't even president yet and we are already winning! He said we would win so much we would get tired of it. STILL NOT TIRED OF WINNING!





From the earliest days of his campaign, Donald J. Trump made keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States his signature economic issue, and the decision by Carrier, the big air-conditioner company, to move 2,000 of them from Indiana to Mexico was a tailor-made talking point for him on the stump.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump and Mike Pence, Indiana’s governor and the vice-president elect, plan to appear at Carrier’s Indianapolis plant to announce they’ve struck a deal with the company to keep roughly half of the jobs in the state, according to officials with the transition team as well as Carrier.Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will rally his base even before he takes office.

In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to business by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code. In addition, Mr. Trump is expected to tone down his rhetoric threatening 35 percent tariffs on companies like Carrier that shift production south of the border.

Roughly 10 percent of United Technologies’ $56 billion in revenues comes from the federal government, with the Pentagon its single largest customer. Its Pratt & Whitney division, for example, supplies the engines for the Air Force’s most advanced fighters and host of other planes.

While Carrier is best known for its air-conditioners, it also sells a variety of other heating and cooling equipment for homes and small businesses, like the furnaces and fan coils made at the Indianapolis factory.

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Well, I guess that's okay. Only 50% of the people will be out of work, starving in the hellish landscape of Indiana, freezing in the wind off of the lakes.
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I would not say it was a win, but it definitely not a loss. (1,000 jobs still leaving)

It's a start against the "race to the bottom" neoliberalism/globalism that is destroying our standard of living and way of life.

Hopefully this is just the beginning.


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Well, I guess that's okay. Only 50% of the people will be out of work, starving in the hellish landscape of Indiana, freezing in the wind off of the lakes.




Maybe, maybe not. Due to age discrimination if younger workers get laid off they are likely to find some employment, worse sure, but at least something. If you are over 50 and you are laid off and are not a consultant you are screwed in this country. (seen it plenty of times) This deal will probably prevent a large number of people to go into forced early retirement and live off poverty level checks from the government.

Definitely better than anything Bush or Clinton would have done. Establishment hacks on both sides of the aisle have let jobs leave this country year after year, even a slowdown in this trend is welcomed change.
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Well, we'll see how it plays out. TrumPence still needs to fight the dragons of the Senate and Congress in order to make the sweeping changes that have been proposed.
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I would not say it was a win, but it definitely not a loss. (1,000 jobs still leaving)

It's a start against the "race to the bottom" neoliberalism/globalism that is destroying our standard of living and way of life.

Hopefully this is just the beginning.


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Well, I guess that's okay. Only 50% of the people will be out of work, starving in the hellish landscape of Indiana, freezing in the wind off of the lakes.




Maybe, maybe not. Due to age discrimination if younger workers get laid off they are likely to find some employment, worse sure, but at least something. If you are over 50 and you are laid off and are not a consultant you are screwed in this country. (seen it plenty of times) This deal will probably prevent a large number of people to go into forced early retirement and living off poverty level checks from the government.

Definitely better than anything Bush or Clinton would have done. Establishment hacks on both sides of the aisle have let jobs leave this country year after year, even a slowdown in this trend is welcomed change.


I'm thinking, the rest of the jobs will go to another state that was willing to give Carrier some good terms to move the other half of those jobs to that state.

Or it could be that Carrier will still move some of those jobs to Mexico, but the product made there will not ship to the U.S. So, product made in the U.S. will sell in the U.S., while product made overseas, will sell overseas.

It could prove to be a model for other manufacturers. Make product in both the U.S. and overseas.... Americans get jobs, and offshore get jobs, too. Either way, manufacturer gets huge profits.

Demonstrate against that, butt-hurt libtards!


(Disclaimer: The last sentence was made while under the influence of sake. I don't usually go in for name calling, or labeling...)
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gornotck wrote:

Well, we'll see how it plays out. TrumPence still needs to fight the dragons of the Senate and Congress in order to make the sweeping changes that have been proposed.


True. Even if they fail they can use the Presidency as a bully pulpit to energize voters to ditch the dead weight come midterms.
I hope we are finally going to get real change, $20 trillion in debt, stagnant wages, declining standard of living and increased costs of living. If we don't get our house in order soon, the government will eventually collapse or at least continue to leave more and more of the former middle class in the dust.
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but wait, I thought trump was hitler this sounds good
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but wait, I thought trump was hitler this sounds good


Don't worry. Give runec and company time to come up with some way to twist this into something negative. That's their shtick. You know?
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redokami wrote:

but wait, I thought trump was hitler this sounds good


Don't worry. Give runec and company time to come up with some way to twist this into something negative. That's their shtick. You know?


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redokami wrote:

but wait, I thought trump was hitler this sounds good


Don't worry. Give runec and company time to come up with some way to twist this into something negative. That's their shtick. You know?


"Trump takes jobs from hardworking Mexicans and gives it to white supremacists"


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DeadlyOats wrote:


redokami wrote:

but wait, I thought trump was hitler this sounds good


Don't worry. Give runec and company time to come up with some way to twist this into something negative. That's their shtick. You know?


"Trump takes jobs from hardworking Mexicans and gives it to white supremacists"




Trump cares nothing about the suffering of the poor Mexican people! He has just stolen thousands of jobs away from hard working Mexican families and given them to rich white supremacists. Children in Mexico will be going to bed cold and hungry because of his bigoted ways!
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Don't worry. Give runec and company time to come up with some way to twist this into something negative. That's their shtick. You know?


No need to twist. Carrier was already retaining 400 jobs ( so its not clear if this new deal is actually only 600 more not 1000 ) and was phasing down the others over a 3 year period beginning next year while offering pretty good severance deals to its employees ( including 4 years free tuition for career retraining ). It was never the catastrophic BS story Trump made it out to be to begin with. Nor is Trump in any position to negotiate any sort of deal with Carrier. This would have been Pence's work as governor. Though no one knows any of the details as to what was offered. The union was not involved at any point in this agreement so the people whose actual jobs these are have no idea what is going on ( and aren't happy about it ).

Given that Carrier was moving operations due to supply line and manufacturing costs, not labour costs, the state would have had to offer some pretty nice tax breaks. Which would mean these retained jobs would in effect be subsidized by taxpayers. The jobs Carrier was retaining were likewise administrative and engineering, not manufacturing. So no, no manufacturing jobs were brought back and its unclear what sector of the company these jobs are either yet.

Basically, its a happy ending to a bullshit story Trump made up in the first place.

But hey, if you want to swallow it go ahead. -.-

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'Along with thousands of his followers pelting them endlessly on social media.'
'Forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course.'
'Roughly 10 percent of United Technologies’ $56 billion in revenues comes from the federal government, with the Pentagon its single largest customer. Its Pratt & Whitney division, for example, supplies the engines for the Air Force’s most advanced fighters and host of other planes.'

Sounds like they were bullied, bribed or very well compensated for keeping those jobs in America it seems to me. Since the company also supplies the Pentagon and Air Force with their products there was also some political gain to this as well I'm sure.
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gornotck wrote:

Well, we'll see how it plays out. TrumPence still needs to fight the dragons of the Senate and Congress in order to make the sweeping changes that have been proposed.


I don't know why we need a president or why we listen to president candidates when the Senate and Congress always have the last word.
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DeadlyOats wrote:
Don't worry. Give runec and company time to come up with some way to twist this into something negative. That's their shtick. You know?


No need to twist. Carrier was already retaining 400 jobs ( so its not clear if this new deal is actually only 600 more not 1000 ) and was phasing down the others over a 3 year period beginning next year while offering pretty good severance deals to its employees ( including 4 years free tuition for career retraining ). It was never the catastrophic BS story Trump made it out to be to begin with. Nor is Trump in any position to negotiate any sort of deal with Carrier. This would have been Pence's work as governor. Though no one knows any of the details as to what was offered. The union was not involved at any point in this agreement so the people whose actual jobs these are have no idea what is going on ( and aren't happy about it ).

Given that Carrier was moving operations due to supply line and manufacturing costs, not labour costs, the state would have had to offer some pretty nice tax breaks. Which would mean these retained jobs would in effect be subsidized by taxpayers. The jobs Carrier was retaining were likewise administrative and engineering, not manufacturing. So no, no manufacturing jobs were brought back and its unclear what sector of the company these jobs are either yet.

Basically, its a happy ending to a bullshit story Trump made up in the first place.

But hey, if you want to swallow it go ahead. -.-



Pretty good severance package? Great, job training for jobs that don't exist or pay far less.
You're over 50, you get laid off you are lucky to become a greeter at Walmart in today's economy, hardly seems like a decent tradeoff.
I've worked with plenty of people who fall into this category, many had advanced degrees, some even have published books and still couldn't find anything that paid over $15/hr. and that is if they are lucky.
Why can't we discuss the elephant in the room: non existent job growth for jobs that pay a living wage?

This is the problem with both parties' establishments: you have people like Donna Brazille (Chairwoman of the DNC) admitting in the Podesta emails that most jobs coming into this country and those created here are crap behind closed doors, but when it comes to policy/public statements people like her tell us stuff like things are great when we all know it's a lie. So basically the ruling class knows exactly what is going on, but they prefer to dupe the public because pleasing corporate donors is far more important than doing anything significant for labor.

You see the party establishments have said that the American middle class needs to roll over, play dead, accept a lower standard of living while the rich here get richer off modern day slave labor and they say it as if it were an indisputable fact.
Worst thing is, I hear this type of rhetoric is coming out of mouths of the out-of-touch cosmopolitan latte/limousine liberal wing of the (former labor friendly) Democratic Party the most, which probably helped them lose the election. It would be one thing if this were a shared sacrifice, but it's not.

The Republicans want less taxes for the wealthy, the Democrats (leadership) want to work with Republicans keep outsourcing good paying jobs in exchange for crappy low wage, part time temp work and think (or at least tell the public) that you can keep raising the minimum wage so these new crappy jobs can somehow eventually become equivalent to those that we lost. We are being lied to on all sides.

I wonder how much longer until the American people surrender remaining labor rights nationally and become brainwashed enough to begin thinking that getting paid a few nickels is a fair day's wage; the American Deep South is already basically at that point.

I do find it strange that you believe these workers wouldn't be happy about it. Have you worked in the manufacturing sector? Some of them now get to keep their job and prevent foreclosing on their houses. I know if I were in their shoes I couldn't give two craps about the details, only that there would be a chance that I'd be able to continue to put food on the table.




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