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So tell me is apatheism another form of atheism or something else entirely? I ask this because I am an apatheist but not really an atheist. I don't care about god and religion. What is the difference between apatheism and agnostic? Help me understand this.

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Agnostic means you don't really claim that there is or isn't a god, you're just on the fence. Being an apatheist means that you don't really care whether there is or isn't a god.

Sort of like when people argue about politics and you're just like "Who cares?"

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Atheism is a lack of a belief in a god or gods. Apatheism is a lack of interest in a god or gods. Agnosticism is a lack of certainty towards a belief. The opposite of Agnosticism would be Gnosticism.

In other words; it's something else.
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Agnostics are atheists who just won't admit it yet. Atheists are the same as agnostics but some still refuse to admit it. Apatheists are tsundere agnostics, which makes them atheists.

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AlastorCrow wrote:

Agnostics are atheists who just won't admit it yet. Atheists are the same as agnostics but some still refuse to admit it. Apatheists are tsundere agnostics, which makes them atheists.

source: atheist (or agnostic? who cares)


Interesting.
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I use the word simply as a matter of convenience. To me, it's absurd that I have to describe myself as an atheist (no god) when I don't even believe in its existence in the first place. It's like saying that I need a word to describe a person who doesn't believe in the existence of an ancient talking snake, or a seven-headed Kaiju, or winged humanoids from another dimension, or a Jewish zombie who teleported to another dimension with his mom and the 12 homies...wait, that's also an atheist. Nevermind.
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AlastorCrow wrote:

Agnostics are atheists who just won't admit it yet. Atheists are the same as agnostics but some still refuse to admit it. Apatheists are tsundere agnostics, which makes them atheists.

source: atheist (or agnostic? who cares)


Agnosticism is basically your knowledge claim. "I don't believe in god but I am not certain" is what an Agnostic Atheist would say. "I know there is no god" is what a gnostic Atheist would say. This would also apply to Theism and Deism.

The word "a" means "lack of" while "Gnosticism" means "knowledge".
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AlastorCrow wrote:

Agnostics are atheists who just won't admit it yet. Atheists are the same as agnostics but some still refuse to admit it. Apatheists are tsundere agnostics, which makes them atheists.

source: atheist (or agnostic? who cares)


Agnosticism is basically your knowledge claim. "I don't believe in god but I am not certain" is what an Agnostic Atheist would say. "I know there is no god" is what a gnostic Atheist would say. This would also apply to Theism and Deism.

The word "a" means "lack of" while "Gnosticism" means "knowledge".


Most atheists I know pretty much follow the idea behind Hitchens' razor (that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence). I know I did even before I read that line in his book years ago. Which is the exact reason why agnostics are not theists -- the absence of empirical evidence. This horse has been beaten so many times that's it's almost always covered on the first few chapters of every book under the atheism section at your local bookstore. The celestial teapot, Pastafarianism, the Invisible Pink Unicorn..you name it. All of them have been created to demonstrate the absurdity of the religious side arguing that "no evidence for existence of a non-existent being" is evidence or at the very least, a good reason to sit on a fence.

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The Agnostic (indecisive): "I don't know if God is real or not. We can't prove that he is real or that he doesn't exist, so I neither belief nor disbelieve."

The Atheist (triggered) : "There is no God."

The Deist (serious): "God created the world and left. He has no part in our lives."

The Apatheist: "Oh, the timer beeped! Yay! Cookies!"

I would say the main difference between an agnostic and an apatheist is that an agnostic might still be interested in thinking in circles about the likelihood of God existing while an apatheist simply doesn't give a shit. Maybe apatheists are just laid back atheists who don't care about rehashing the God subject anymore.

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AlastorCrow wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:

Agnostics are atheists who just won't admit it yet. Atheists are the same as agnostics but some still refuse to admit it. Apatheists are tsundere agnostics, which makes them atheists.

source: atheist (or agnostic? who cares)


Agnosticism is basically your knowledge claim. "I don't believe in god but I am not certain" is what an Agnostic Atheist would say. "I know there is no god" is what a gnostic Atheist would say. This would also apply to Theism and Deism.

The word "a" means "lack of" while "Gnosticism" means "knowledge".


Most atheists I know pretty much follow the idea behind Hitchens' razor (that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence). I know I did even before I read that line in his book years ago. Which is the exact reason why agnostics are not theists -- the absence of empirical evidence. This horse has been beaten so many times that's it's almost always covered on the first few chapters of every book under the atheism section at your local bookstore. The celestial teapot, Pastafarianism, the Invisible Pink Unicorn..you name it. All of them have been created to demonstrate the absurdity of the religious side arguing that "no evidence for existence of a non-existent being" is evidence or at the very least, a good reason to sit on a fence.



Not sure why you started talking about examples of Reductio ad absurdum used against Theism/Deism. Not all Theists are Gnostic (Pertaining to know that there is a god) nor are all Atheists Agnostic (No knowledge claim).

On a side note, most reasonable theists/deists will probably argue with you about the contingency/non contingency if you bring up those particular Reductio ad absurdum examples.

Regardless, agnostic Theism/Atheism/Deism/Ignosticsm are more reasonable view points than their Gnostic counterparts.
Posted 11/29/16
I like the idea of apetheism, best one. Atheist are thin skinned. They get triggered so easily and give off the, "I'm smarter than you" vibe.

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GrandMasterTime wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:


GrandMasterTime wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:

Agnostics are atheists who just won't admit it yet. Atheists are the same as agnostics but some still refuse to admit it. Apatheists are tsundere agnostics, which makes them atheists.

source: atheist (or agnostic? who cares)


Agnosticism is basically your knowledge claim. "I don't believe in god but I am not certain" is what an Agnostic Atheist would say. "I know there is no god" is what a gnostic Atheist would say. This would also apply to Theism and Deism.

The word "a" means "lack of" while "Gnosticism" means "knowledge".


Most atheists I know pretty much follow the idea behind Hitchens' razor (that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence). I know I did even before I read that line in his book years ago. Which is the exact reason why agnostics are not theists -- the absence of empirical evidence. This horse has been beaten so many times that's it's almost always covered on the first few chapters of every book under the atheism section at your local bookstore. The celestial teapot, Pastafarianism, the Invisible Pink Unicorn..you name it. All of them have been created to demonstrate the absurdity of the religious side arguing that "no evidence for existence of a non-existent being" is evidence or at the very least, a good reason to sit on a fence.



Not sure why you started talking about examples of Reductio ad absurdum used against Theism/Deism. Not all Theists are Gnostic (Pertaining to know that there is a god) nor are all Atheists Agnostic (No knowledge claim).

On a side note, most reasonable theists/deists will probably argue with you about the contingency/non contingency if you bring up those particular Reductio ad absurdum examples.

Regardless, agnostic Theism/Atheism/Deism/Ignosticsm are more reasonable view points than their Gnostic counterparts.


I brought them up because I've never met a self-proclaimed FSM agnostic. Technically, we all are but do you see how absurd it is to even consider that? Do we begin calling ourselves agnostic apastafarianists now? You might but I'd kindly ask anyone to keep that label off my ass. I suppose the point of disagreement is the weight of presenting proof for a claim which leads us back to Mr. Hitchens' line. In any case, to me, anyone who doesn't believe in the existence of a god (in the Abrahamic sense) or a deity is by default, an atheist. Whatever title they wish to place before or after that word is up to them but that is what they are.

We're going in circles here.
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I brought them up because I've never met a self-proclaimed FSM agnostic. Technically, we all are but do you see how absurd it is to even consider that? Do we begin calling ourselves agnostic apastafarianists now? You might but I'd kindly ask anyone to keep that label off my ass. I suppose the point of disagreement is the weight of presenting proof for a claim which leads us back to Mr. Hitchens' line. In any case, to me, anyone who doesn't believe in the existence of a god (in the Abrahamic sense) or a deity is by default, an atheist. Whatever title they wish to place before or after that word is up to them but that is what they are.

We're going in circles here.


If one believed in FSM and was agnostic they would still be Agnostic Atheist. It's not, "Agnostic "Insert religion here"".I'm just going off the etymology of the words Agnostic, Atheist, Gnostic and Theist.

Oh I see, so even those that believe in Spinoza's god you would label as Atheist. I think that is perfectly reasonable since we're just talking about semantics here but you might get into trouble with Ignostics, Pantheists, apatheists and even Shintoists and certain Buddhist sects.

Such is the game of arguing over semantics my friend, at least I find it fun lol.





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The Agnostic (indecisive): "I don't know if God is real or not. We can't prove that he is real or that he doesn't exist, so I neither belief nor disbelieve."

The Atheist (triggered) : "There is no God."

The Deist (serious): "God created the world and left. He has no part in our lives."

The Apatheist: "Oh, the timer beeped! Yay! Cookies!"

I would say the main difference between an agnostic and an apatheist is that an agnostic might still be interested in thinking in circles about the likelihood of God existing while an apatheist simply doesn't give a shit. Maybe apatheists are just laid back atheists who don't care about rehashing the God subject anymore.



I like how you explained that.
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HeartDisease wrote:

The Agnostic (indecisive): "I don't know if God is real or not. We can't prove that he is real or that he doesn't exist, so I neither belief nor disbelieve."

The Atheist (triggered) : "There is no God."

The Deist (serious): "God created the world and left. He has no part in our lives."

The Apatheist: "Oh, the timer beeped! Yay! Cookies!"

I would say the main difference between an agnostic and an apatheist is that an agnostic might still be interested in thinking in circles about the likelihood of God existing while an apatheist simply doesn't give a shit. Maybe apatheists are just laid back atheists who don't care about rehashing the God subject anymore.



I like how you explained that.


Good! Hope that helps
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