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Posted 12/1/16

Ryulightorb wrote:



People who lean to the right do it just as much.
doxing someone because it offends you is stupid.



Only doxxing I've seen done 'on the right' was over stolen Trump signs, assault and battery, death threats things like that.
Not exactly the same as going after someone for saying 'mean words' on the internet.
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Posted 12/1/16

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:



People who lean to the right do it just as much.
doxing someone because it offends you is stupid.



Only doxxing I've seen done 'on the right' was over stolen Trump signs, assault and battery, death threats things like that.
Not exactly the same as going after someone for saying 'mean words' on the internet.


I can assure you if the left does it members of the right will also.

The right aren't instantly better people many of them are just as shitty
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Posted 12/2/16 , edited 12/2/16

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Ah, so that is what you are referring to. I was to intentional broadcast under their true identity. I think some people are entitled to their privacy, such as the Spanish Teacher and his past for Playboy.


I think everyone is entitled to having a life outside of work unless they are some sort of public servant whose life is necessarily entwined with their work. And even those people deserve some privacy, it's just that they should have less because of the nature of their work and the need to check the power that they have. It's not necessarily because we don't want them to believe certain things. It's to hold them accountable for their actions because they have the power to make choices that affect a significant number of people in substantial ways.


Perhaps doxxing is another thing and a crime because a company might not be interested in such a "private matter", but if a person does report it and get the ball rolling, public pressure via an online mob would occur, and then the company would be forced to endure a choice that they may have no problem with, just to secure their public image.


In any case, my cases would be a reference to public and recent matters. Dredging up the past or things explicitly meant to be private (Nudies, porno history) I find unethical, as they have little to do with said work and is intent on shaming an individual and forcing public pressure to a certain harmful outcome.

In any case, the teacher here was a public servant, but I find her past to be of no interest. Since when is being proud of your body a bad thing? Do they think it would lead to inappropriate relationships? Perhaps it might "Distract" the students, but I don't find this a convincing argument.
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Posted 12/2/16
doxxing is disgusting and anyone that does it should be punished
Posted 12/2/16
Here are my thoughts on "Doxxing":

Whatever you put online in a public format is public.
If someone is clever enough to use your typing mannerisms, usernames, and email addresses to determine your social media account, that's on you (the individual). If you use the same username on multiple sites and leave your email address public on a forum that you signed up for a year or two ago just to ask a question - that's also your own fault. We live in a digital age, you need to be more mindful of what you do. Even grade school teachers (elementary/middle school) are teaching kids what you should and should not put out there on the Internet - why? Because it's always going to be there, in some way or another.

Sometimes it'll be used against you.
I know of positions in many companies that are part of the human resource departments who's sole task is to dox potential applicants. Doxxing isn't illegal as long as there's no cracking of passwords, illegal access to email accounts, or similar actions. If you have your stuff out there in the public Internet domain - it's as free to look at and to formulate an opinion on as anything else.

Keep in mind that the Department of Labor has only classified the following areas that cannot be discriminated against: age, disability, ethnic, color, race, religion, gender, veteran status, or immigration status (the last one is only if you're a legal immigrant, of course). So if they see that you posted a video on YouTube with some friends and yourself smoking from a bong (even in a state that allows for recreational marijuana usage) - they can tell you that you were disqualified or unfit for a position if that action is against what they believe in as a company policy.

Internet trolls love to dox.
It doesn't matter which political alignment you have (left, right, liberal, conservative, independent/libertarian, whatever phrasing) - trolls of all kinds love to try to find out about their potential "victim". Doxxing gives them the power and authority over a person who is actually putting them on blast (and having to go on the defense). Trolls hate being on the defense, so they use doxxing methods as their preferred method of offense ("A good defense is a great offense" strategy). I have seen conservatives and liberals in several countries resort to doxxing just to get the upper hand; even if it's just viewing their Facebook profile and using a public post to "refute" their arguments.

At the end of the day, doxxing is a bit of a hindrance on how society operates. At the same time, however, it's not illegal for someone to look into your history if it's there for viewing. Be careful what you put out there on forums, on social media, on the Internet altogether - it can and (in many cases) will come back to bite you in the ass. I know of people who have received poor annual reviews for "outside conduct" and were denied a Christmas/Seasonal bonus. What was their "poor outside conduct", you ask? Posting a lot of Pro-Trump and Racial stuff on their Facebook wall, making tweets about kicking out Muslims and Mexicans, and similar things. Is it legal? Yes, sorry to tell you.

In states that support "at will employment" you can actually be terminated for similar things (or in the opposite direction, as I've seen some liberals lose their jobs, seasonal bonuses, or annual review raises due to their political views). That's just what happens when you allow the employer determine what they consider are against their company policies. EOE doesn't protect against political beliefs. You're allowed to believe what you want in the US, but not everyone has to agree with you (that's just how it goes).

Doxxing will be used to determine political beliefs, temperament, potential drug use/abuse, "outside" personality (how you are in public, around your friends), and personal views - either to keep you from employment or to fight against you on a forum/social media outlet just to try to get the upper hand. Get used to it - it's not going away anytime soon. The more people that grow up on the Internet, the more it'll become an issue.
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Posted 12/2/16
I view it the same way I do with DDoS and infiltrations in general. If you can do it, go for it. Just be prepared to pay the consequences. Everything leaves a trace.
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Posted 12/2/16

Amyas_Leigh wrote:

Only doxxing I've seen done 'on the right' was over stolen Trump signs, assault and battery, death threats things like that.
Not exactly the same as going after someone for saying 'mean words' on the internet.

I mean, there was that whole Gamergate thing a couple of years back where men doxxed women for being feminists, basically. There was a Fox News anchor who leaked the address (and I think #) of a woman who accused Trump of sexual harassment earlier this year. And I believe Trump himself gave out Lindsay Graham's phone number, like last summer? Maybe later than that. Obviously those last two were done more in a 'harass these people at their homes' way than a 'get them fired' way, but I do recall some Gamergaters who mass-called people's employers to see if they could get them fired. Not sure if they ever succeeded, though, I tried not to follow that nonsense.
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Posted 12/2/16 , edited 12/2/16
doxxing is illegal, there's a reason for that
Posted 12/2/16

pansyforyourthoughts wrote:

I mean, there was that whole Gamergate thing a couple of years back where men doxxed women for being feminists, basically.


Did you just watch the SVU special that was loosely based on it or what?

What's hilarious is that gamergate was the tip of the spear in uncovering what biased shit journalism and media in general has become.

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Posted 12/2/16

Amyas_Leigh wrote:

Did you just watch the SVU special that was loosely based on it or what?

What's hilarious is that gamergate was the tip of the spear in uncovering what biased shit journalism and media in general has become.

I mean, I'm not making a value judgment, and the fight against bias in journalism is fine, but I don't think it's controversial to say that they did, in fact, doxx multiple women (and a couple of dudes) in the process for being feminists. Fringe members of the group, certainly, but anyone who actually doxxes someone sort of has to be on the 'fringe', and it'd be intellectually dishonest to pretend it's somehow more mainstream among leftists than it is in the right. And it's not like they doxxed people for hating on video games' drab colour schemes or anything. Or even doxxed people who were genuinely good examples of corruption in games journalism; I don't see Geoff Keighley's home address and personal phone number anywhere online.
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Posted 12/2/16

pansyforyourthoughts wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:

Did you just watch the SVU special that was loosely based on it or what?

What's hilarious is that gamergate was the tip of the spear in uncovering what biased shit journalism and media in general has become.

I mean, I'm not making a value judgment, and the fight against bias in journalism is fine, but I don't think it's controversial to say that they did, in fact, doxx multiple women (and a couple of dudes) in the process for being feminists. Fringe members of the group, certainly, but anyone who actually doxxes someone sort of has to be on the 'fringe', and it'd be intellectually dishonest to pretend it's somehow more mainstream among leftists than it is in the right. And it's not like they doxxed people for hating on video games' drab colour schemes or anything. Or even doxxed people who were genuinely good examples of corruption in games journalism; I don't see Geoff Keighley's home address and personal phone number anywhere online.


Thats not really how it happened. A few individuals were doxxed, but more for their antagonistic role in the whole process than for being feminists (and yes, that includes some of teh people who were posterboys of corruption in games journalism). Further, doxxing also happened from the other side of the gamergate debate (aka the media/feminist side) with some of the biggest names in the whole thing vocally supporting doxxing.

Yes, gamergate was a clusterfuck but summing it up as a doxxing campaign against feminists is just wrong.

That said, I agree that doxxing isn't a question of what side of the political spectrum you are on and it should be condemned no matter who does it. It is a shitty thing to do no matter what.
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Posted 12/2/16 , edited 12/2/16

pansyforyourthoughts wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:

Did you just watch the SVU special that was loosely based on it or what?

What's hilarious is that gamergate was the tip of the spear in uncovering what biased shit journalism and media in general has become.

I mean, I'm not making a value judgment, and the fight against bias in journalism is fine, but I don't think it's controversial to say that they did, in fact, doxx multiple women (and a couple of dudes) in the process for being feminists. Fringe members of the group, certainly, but anyone who actually doxxes someone sort of has to be on the 'fringe', and it'd be intellectually dishonest to pretend it's somehow more mainstream among leftists than it is in the right. And it's not like they doxxed people for hating on video games' drab colour schemes or anything. Or even doxxed people who were genuinely good examples of corruption in games journalism; I don't see Geoff Keighley's home address and personal phone number anywhere online.


No they did, and then radical feminists jumped on the bandwagon and started doxxing men and women who disagreed with them often going so far as to call in false bomb threats and contact the employers of people who argued with them on the internet and telling them their employees were Nazis and woman haters.

Gamergate may have started as a protest against corruption in the media but it quickly was co-opted by a bunch of crazies on both sides and turned into a massive cluster-fuck of radical feminists, rabid basement dwellers, over-blown and overzealous attention whores, and the same BS that generally comes when anyone tries to drag identity politics into an issue.

(edit) basically what the person above me said.
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Posted 12/2/16

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Thats not really how it happened. A few individuals were doxxed, but more for their antagonistic role in the whole process than for being feminists (and yes, that includes some of teh people who were posterboys of corruption in games journalism). Further, doxxing also happened from the other side of the gamergate debate (aka the media/feminist side) with some of the biggest names in the whole thing vocally supporting doxxing.

Yes, gamergate was a clusterfuck but summing it up as a doxxing campaign against feminists is just wrong.

I don't think it is exclusively a doxxing campaign; I don't think I ever said it was. But people who were not really involved in games journalism or game creation, like Felicia Day, were doxxed for having feminist criticisms of the movement. The group, overall, did not support these sorts of targeted attacks, but the fringe that was doing the doxxing? They were definitely politically motivated, and not just by ethics in games journalism. I mean, when you have things like Warner Bros. writing contracts with Let's Players to create dishonestly positive playthroughs of Shadow of Mordor but the people getting their home addresses leaked are the ones making a shitty YouTube series about how there are too many boobs in video games... there's clearly a dissonance between the actions of the people who do the doxxing and the group's motivations.

I don't really care, to be honest, I'm just saying it's not like the right wing never doxxes people. I could just as easily talk in circles trying to justify or outcast the people who do doxxing on the left, and there are plenty of articles I've seen doing just that, but I don't think it's fair to anybody to do that. If you doxx people you fight with on the internet, you're trash, and there's a lot of garbage all over the political spectrum.
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Posted 12/2/16
Sounds like a bunch of children using the Internet to me.

Now on another similar note

Like how me and the guys at work like to curse at one another... no reason, it's just how we communicate sometimes.

But in reality you can be written up for verbal harassment.

Just like sometimes we push eachother or give someone a punch, it's just being friendly, but in the real world that would be an assault charge.

Long story short..... people are pussy's....... kidding, people just need to stop acting like children at work. Which is funny, because what we would be doing would be considered childish, but in all reality we are becoming closer as workers and it boosts teamwork. Instead of being a fucking stiff and calling HR because someone called you stupid, that's even more childish, learn to laugh. We get our job done, we hit our quota, I'm still being a leader, I'm not being an asshole, I still keep it professional when management walks in, we keep the ball rolling, and I go home with no stress because I have a great group of guys working with me.

Not completely off topic, but it's the exact same message. Don't get upset over our personal lives/enjoyment as long as we get our job done, and keeping satisfaction levels high.

Don't go crying to momma because someone called you a name, suck it up butter cup.

There are only two ways you can say fuck you.

Fuck you! That's disrespect, you are generating hate

Fuck you. That's respect

Where am I going with this post, dunno, but I got bored and it's about work, so...... there you have it folks. If you go to work, make sure you leave in a better mood. Don't be confined by those chains, if you go to work you do your fucking job with purpose, and brighten the mood around you, and you learn to respect others by creating an atmosphere that is both positive, respectable and fun.

We work hard, we play hard, and we can all go home happy.

Circle of life.






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Posted 12/2/16
I do not consider it is "doxxing" for public information.Private information - credit card and finances. A conversation with a wife on Facebook , which used to assist reveal information of someone's finances, I think that is wrong.

First thing on the internet: Never use real name. Not doxxing if for someone to find a forum post years old.
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