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Post Reply Lying is inefficient and impractical
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Inefficiency is one point for lying. People lie, to delay the consequences, avoid the repercussions of their actions, to create inefficiency in a system of cause and effect, to delay the effect.
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But on the flip side you could get elected President!

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nanikore2 wrote:

When my wife suggests telling people a "white lie" as a solution to certain things I always object.

The way I explain to her my objections is this.

It has nothing to do with ethics or morality.

Think of it this way-

If you have to keep track of all of your little "stories" and have to keep them all straight, doesn't that involve effort?

Too much effort, for me.

I leave certain things unsaid. I redact. I don't have to blab everything to everyone all the time anyway- It's simply too much information.

Say and write as much as the other person needs to know. It smooths things just as much, if not more.

Lying is inefficient. Don't do it.



Yes, there a saying.. I may be wrong lol. Its goes like this.. You can tell the truth and your stories will be repeated, if you tell lies you will create 1,000 stories.. I may be wrong on that (can't remember the exact lol).
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Lying can cut corners on the basis of meetings that are likely to be a one time thing, it also depends on the quality of the lie and how it is carried out.
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Through all my effort to prove we are all whatever some jackass once lied about and called god, everything I know about lying is really the beginning of all problems humanity is attempting to overcome atm, all coming back to having to re-evaluate foundations. Problem is, humanity is caught between arguing about wtf they are (never actually believing in stuff said unless backed up by others) while giving advice that is more inadequacies... perpetuating misunderstood versions of all of us then fighting about it. Lying culminates as we see it now, everyone being left out unless you buy into the shit ppl are being paid to talk about which as I have seen.. more lies.
Lying is pausing your own growth until you stop lying to yourself. Also to clear up stuff I've said, we don't lie we just program ourselves to perceive whatever we choose until we stop tricking ourselves. Lie as a word is a simplification of a much greater issue that began sooooo long ago, what are we. Any lie of self forces us to confront exactly any misunderstanding we make, everything we do becomes more difficult until we figure ourselves out through all the misinformation.
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AlastorCrow wrote:

Depends on what you see as a lie. If you're in a professional environment and there's a boss you can't stand, you can't just ignore them or act rude. I don't mean you have to kiss their ass but being pleasant to everyone around you would make work go faster if you don't have to deal with drama. Not to mention avoid being fired.

I've lied about reasons for calling out of work before. The key is to believe in the lie by mixing it with some truth.

As for personal matters, it's always best to be upfront about most issues.


Ever called out for "Food Poisoning"? You know ... a delayed reaction from a meal you had the night before; probably got a headache and you're cuddling a trashcan to blow chunks in.
Maybe even a dinner guest or two or nine are present; all passed out from overeating
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same. ive never had a lie that didnt make my life worse.
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its not impractical.

sometimes , its practical
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Vahvi wrote:


AlastorCrow wrote:

Depends on what you see as a lie. If you're in a professional environment and there's a boss you can't stand, you can't just ignore them or act rude. I don't mean you have to kiss their ass but being pleasant to everyone around you would make work go faster if you don't have to deal with drama. Not to mention avoid being fired.

I've lied about reasons for calling out of work before. The key is to believe in the lie by mixing it with some truth.

As for personal matters, it's always best to be upfront about most issues.


Ever called out for "Food Poisoning"? You know ... a delayed reaction from a meal you had the night before; probably got a headache and you're cuddling a trashcan to blow chunks in.
Maybe even a dinner guest or two or nine are present; all passed out from overeating


"Not feeling well" is fine. I work in a healthcare facility so people will know you're bullshitting if you elaborate too much. If I'm friends with the morning supervisor that day (I work evenings), I'd give them a clear bullshit reason for the hell of it. I once told someone I was having so much loose bowel movements that I can't walk to the subway station or drive that day.
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As I have learned growing up, most of the time, lying is not worth the effort, even more so if you don't like the person you need to explain stuff to. But at the same time, the amount of effort you can save is enormous, even more so if you don't like the person.

Note that this takes place at midnight.
scenario 1, truth:

Evil step mother: Why did you bring a bowl of ramen into the living room!?! you know that is against the rules!
Me: because I was hungry and wanted to watch my late night anime at the same time.
Evil step mother: So you deliberately broke the rules why?
Me: I just told you, I was hungry and wanted...
ESM: ANSWER THE GOD DAM QUESTION OR GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!

Scenario 2 Lie:
ESM: why did you bring a bowl of ramen into the living room!?! you know it is against the rules!
Me: My brother wanted ramen, so I set it on the table here because I can't see the dining room table well.
ESM: ya know you could of put it on the kitchen table right?
Me: opps, my bad. I'm such a dummy at times.
ESM leaves.

Scenario 3, the REAL truth.
ESM: why did you bring a bowl of ramen into the living room!?! you know it is against the rules!
Me: because I'm sick of your psychotic freakouts, your sadistic punishments, and you being a 2 faced she devil to make yourself look like an angel in front of dad. I've lost any and all respect for your rules, especially one as minor as eating food in the very living room that you eat in all the time you oversized gorrilla of a pig!
ESM:GET..... OUT!!!!!!!
Me:already ahead of you bitch. (picks up backpack and coat, then leaves.)

Sometimes I wish I had the balls to tell her what I really thought of her alot sooner. She is surprisingly spineless when dad is around.
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runec wrote:

But on the flip side you could get elected President!

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>.>


Game theories won't work on people who make the rules

Only the poor 99% saps are in the zero sum


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Shouldn't object your wife. We all have reasons to tell white lies. We tell them to make our life easier.


Some only think it makes it easier... Until it doesn't.


LunaTakimoto wrote:

Lying can be of use and is practical as mentioned a few posts up by ClothStatue "For example, if a child is LGBT+ and has a family that could hurt or disown them if they found out, lying is a means of survival" And its been mentioned multiple times of actors and cops.

It is practical and it is efficient depending on the situation.



Or... do what a lot of people do, say nothing about it.


Lance_Clemings wrote:

As I have learned growing up, most of the time, lying is not worth the effort, even more so if you don't like the person you need to explain stuff to. But at the same time, the amount of effort you can save is enormous, even more so if you don't like the person.

Note that this takes place at midnight.


Yep not worth the effort to lie, and in your case, not even worth the effort to answer at all:

Scenario 4, not bother responding because actual harassment merits no response
ESM: why did you bring a bowl of ramen into the living room!?! you know it is against the rules!
Me: ... (pretends to be really hard at hearing)
ESM: Did you HEAR WHAT I SAID
Me: ... (was there a sound?)
ESM: ANSWER THE GOD DAM QUESTION OR GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!
Me: ... (didn't hear that either, so is she going to resort to physical violence? Call the police? When police arrives, hearing mysteriously recovers) [just don't bring ramen into the living room again unless being yelled at is fun]


summerbeat wrote:

its not impractical.

sometimes , its practical


I don't run into those much if at all.

The most I've ever had to, when push truly comes to shove, comes down to responses like "nope" or "uh huh"


gornotck wrote:

Try having someone who literally believes and remembers things happened slightly differently than they actually went down, then give them authority over you.


Depending on who it is, it's may not be worth the effort of even responding


salamisama wrote:

Lying can cut corners on the basis of meetings that are likely to be a one time thing, it also depends on the quality of the lie and how it is carried out.


Those might be poor quality meetings if you have to balance them with the effort of a "high quality lie"
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At least you can effectively "lie with statistics" since most people don't understand statistics.

I could draw a graph like this and most people wouldn't know how they're subconsciously being influenced

and if they do happen to catch on, I could say I did it by mistake


I could also purposely look up shady studies and selectively report those in arguments complete with technical jargon so people won't object since they're afraid of saying "I don't know those big words". Most people don't bring documents to arguments with them anyways so I could bring my own fallacious studies while telling them to prove their studies... which they probably didn't bring documents for.





Lots of dishonest argument tactics all around nowadays.
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RedExodus wrote:

At least you can effectively "lie with statistics" since most people don't understand statistics.

I could draw a graph like this and most people wouldn't know how they're subconsciously being influenced

and if they do happen to catch on, I could say I did it by mistake


I could also purposely look up shady studies and selectively report those in arguments complete with technical jargon so people won't object since they're afraid of saying "I don't know those big words". Most people don't bring documents to arguments with them anyways so I could bring my own fallacious studies while telling them to prove their studies... which they probably didn't bring documents for.





Lots of dishonest argument tactics all around nowadays.


Looking that that chart as is, it makes it sound like minorities are becoming less isolated between 2002-2007 with it appearing to level off around 18%. Without additional information that is the conclusion I draw.
Posted 12/7/16
It's not always impractical and inefficient.

Sometimes it's simpler to give a short answer (lie) to a question and move on, instead of giving them the messier, longer, truthful answer that opens a can of worms.
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Tell that to Lala
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