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Lying is inefficient and impractical
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I lie so I don't need to worry my friends and family by saying things like "I'm fine." etc.
Otherwise I tell the truth.
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Your response ought to be determined by the situation, not merely an underlying moral belief without consideration of the circumstances. It's sometimes necessary or advantageous to lie, and lies don't always cause much harm. In such situations that lying produces a great benefit and little negative consequence, I'd even go so far as to say lying is the right thing to do.
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Posted 12/7/16 , edited 12/7/16

Minsc wrote:


RedExodus wrote:

At least you can effectively "lie with statistics" since most people don't understand statistics.

I could draw a graph like this and most people wouldn't know how they're subconsciously being influenced

and if they do happen to catch on, I could say I did it by mistake


I could also purposely look up shady studies and selectively report those in arguments complete with technical jargon so people won't object since they're afraid of saying "I don't know those big words". Most people don't bring documents to arguments with them anyways so I could bring my own fallacious studies while telling them to prove their studies... which they probably didn't bring documents for.





Lots of dishonest argument tactics all around nowadays.


Looking that that chart as is, it makes it sound like minorities are becoming less isolated between 2002-2007 with it appearing to level off around 18%. Without additional information that is the conclusion I draw.


The trick is that I lopped off 0~10% since they were relatively undynamic and zoomed in to make the rest of the graph look bigger. Humans have been shown to respond more by sight of how big the lines are or how much movement they make. If the line movements look dynamic, people assume that the few % means a lot.

It's like doing this

The numbers show that the 2nd frog is 4x greater but upon seeing this, people are more influenced by how the 2nd frog looks 16x bigger since it is 2D
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 12/8/16

RedExodus wrote:

The trick is that I lopped off 0~10% [..] and zoomed in


So 2002-03, 2004-05, 2005-06 was not intentional?
I mean, you could kind of call it "zooming in" well Ɑ:
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I used to have a friend that would lie about literally everything. It's like he couldn't help himself. Normally he had a good memory for them, but after being friends with him for 2+ years I started noticing contradictions in... a lot of what he'd say. Or I'd bring a story he had told me when we first met... something that should have been memorable, such as his time in the French Foreign Legion... and he'd respond with, "What are you talking about? That never happened."

I learned after a while to not believe a word he said about anything.
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Lying has it's uses. I normally don't like to tell a lie. I just prefer being honest and I'm usually way too blunt but there are times when a little white lie may be the best solution. Sometimes you have to lie to protect yourself. Other times you may have to lie to protect others. I'm sure we told a lot of lies to the Nazi's. People who hid jewish people had to lie to their evil oppressors. Lying can be a good thing too.
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I tell white lies, but never big ones. Namely because if I get caught out then I'll end up in even deeper crap, and I'm also not very good at lying when it comes to big, important stuff since it shows in my mannerisms. I think there are times where lying can be a necessary evil, but I know I suck at it.
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Posted 12/9/16 , edited 12/9/16

Morbidhanson wrote:

Your response ought to be determined by the situation, not merely an underlying moral belief without consideration of the circumstances. It's sometimes necessary or advantageous to lie, and lies don't always cause much harm. In such situations that lying produces a great benefit and little negative consequence, I'd even go so far as to say lying is the right thing to do.


There is no moral belief involved in my consideration


Mirai_Maku wrote:

I used to have a friend that would lie about literally everything. It's like he couldn't help himself. Normally he had a good memory for them, but after being friends with him for 2+ years I started noticing contradictions in... a lot of what he'd say. Or I'd bring a story he had told me when we first met... something that should have been memorable, such as his time in the French Foreign Legion... and he'd respond with, "What are you talking about? That never happened."

I learned after a while to not believe a word he said about anything.


That guy is being really, really, inefficient... Some people can't help but blab a lot when they should just keep it zipped.


BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

I tell white lies, but never big ones. Namely because if I get caught out then I'll end up in even deeper crap, and I'm also not very good at lying when it comes to big, important stuff since it shows in my mannerisms. I think there are times where lying can be a necessary evil, but I know I suck at it.


Rather than the art of deception, I advocate the art of concealment... or artful dodging.
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Year-end cleanup. Closing threads with no new posts since 12/31/2016.
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