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Posted 12/3/16 , edited 12/3/16
"Chrome 55, as explained by Google’s Anthony LaForge earlier this year, will default to a site’s HTML5 experience in most every instance when it has a choice. If a site only uses Flash, you’ll be prompted to allow it the first time you visit."

http://www.techspot.com/news/67268-chrome-55-now-available-loads-html5-over-flash.html

why is crunchyroll still using horrible outdated flash? when almost every other site uses html5? i really hope all the browsers start to block flash by default to force outdated sites to switch to html5

dont tell me content provides is the reason, if so they must be insanely stupid to think that flash is a good platform for video
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Posted 12/3/16 , edited 12/3/16

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why is crunchyroll still using horrible outdated flash? when almost every other site uses html5?

Since your in Europe you probably aren't aware, but the 3rd largest streaming service in the United States (Hulu) still uses Flash for their web player. If a service with over 12 million subscribers (vs. less than 1 million for CR at last report) won't move on, I find it difficult to fault CR for not doing so.

They aren't alone. Per http://www.pcworld.com/article/3026668/video-players/flash-video-is-on-life-support-but-big-sites-wont-let-go.html (from January of this year):

Other major streaming sites that still rely on Flash Player include HBO Go, CBS, NBC, MLB.TV, Showtime, Pandora, and Spotify.


Posted 12/4/16 , edited 12/4/16
Browser and maybe even OS devs just need to kill it, the grace period has been long enough. Only when it becomes unusable or at least when it too much of a pain to do will they change.
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Posted 12/4/16 , edited 12/5/16

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tommyla wrote:

why is crunchyroll still using horrible outdated flash? when almost every other site uses html5?

Since your in Europe you probably aren't aware, but the 3rd largest streaming service in the United States (Hulu) still uses Flash for their web player. If a service with over 12 million subscribers (vs. less than 1 million for CR at last report) won't move on, I find it difficult to fault CR for not doing so.

They aren't alone. Per http://www.pcworld.com/article/3026668/video-players/flash-video-is-on-life-support-but-big-sites-wont-let-go.html (from January of this year):

Other major streaming sites that still rely on Flash Player include HBO Go, CBS, NBC, MLB.TV, Showtime, Pandora, and Spotify.



hulu is probably on google's exemption list, but CR aint

"Google will maintain support in the short-term for the top 10 domains using the player, including YouTube, Facebook, Yahoo, Twitch and Amazon. But this "whitelist" is set to be periodically reviewed, with sites removed if they no longer warrant an exception, and the exemption list will expire after a year."
https://www.cnet.com/news/google-to-block-flash-on-chrome-only-10-websites-exempt/

but that was trown out for a more "click to enable flash on sites"
both java and flash plugins are a security risk for anyone using them (as they are mostly out of date unless your on chrome)
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Posted 12/5/16 , edited 12/5/16

tommyla wrote:

hulu is probably on google's exemption list, but CR aint

"Google will maintain support in the short-term for the top 10 domains using the player, including YouTube, Facebook, Yahoo, Twitch and Amazon. But this "whitelist" is set to be periodically reviewed, with sites removed if they no longer warrant an exception, and the exemption list will expire after a year."
https://www.cnet.com/news/google-to-block-flash-on-chrome-only-10-websites-exempt/

but that was trown out for a more "click to enable flash on sites"
both java and flash plugins are a security risk for anyone using them (as they are mostly out of date unless your on chrome)

While Crunchyroll is the #8 streaming site (compared to #3 for Hulu), Chrome's list is supposed to be for sites that use Flash for any purpose. The current list is apparently as follows:

YouTube.com
Facebook.com
Yahoo.com
VK.com
Live.com
Yandex.ru
OK.ru
Twitch.tv
Amazon.com
Mail.ru

It appears even Hulu didn't make the cut, so it will be in the same boat as CR.

As I understand it, the whitelist is just domains that will be allowed to use Flash without user interaction. It doesn't mean Chrome will refuse to use Flash for other sites.

Speaking of the exemption list, it seems odd that YouTube is on the list, given that it defaults to HTML5 by default and works fine without Flash. Likewise, I have no problem using Amazon (including video) on my Firefox browser that doesn't even have Flash installed. From what I observe, neither of those sites even warrant an exemption now.

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Posted 1/16/17 , edited 1/16/17
I'm obviously bumping a old thread, but I really didn't want to create a new one.


Hulu has now moved to HTML5 on Chrome and Firefox, I should have noticed sooner, but I was using the Windows 10 app this past month, then a update gets pushed for adding profiles to the same account, similar to Netflix. I got curious, checked the site, and noticed I was able to play videos without the use of Flash.

Crunchyroll is now the only site left for me that still uses Flash. Thankfully, they do have a Windows 10 app, so that's what I'm using.
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Posted 1/16/17 , edited 1/16/17

Maverick-DBZ- wrote:

Hulu has now moved to HTML5 on Chrome and Firefox, I should have noticed sooner, but I was using the Windows 10 app this past month, then a update gets pushed for adding profiles to the same account, similar to Netflix. I got curious, checked the site, and noticed I was able to play videos without the use of Flash.

I can add another confirmation. I don't even have Flash installed in Firefox, and I'm now able to play Hulu videos in Firefox. It is strange that they did this with apparently no notice at all. Searching the web for any news about it has thus far been fruitless.

I wonder if any of the other sites mentioned in my earlier message have made the move yet?


I'm still curious to see which type player Ellation (CR's parent company) goes with for VRV (which is currently app-only). If they go with HTML5, then that bodes well for CR moving to that.

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Posted 1/16/17 , edited 1/17/17
It definitely happened within the last 3-4 weeks, and I'd like to think this year is when the remaining streaming sites move over, or at least announcements are made.


Quick little tip for Pandora listeners, if you change the User Agent string to Internet Explorer 11 in Chrome or Firefox, Pandora will switch to their HTML5 player.

I use this agent switcher for Firefox.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/user-agent-overrider/
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Thank you for posting that here, I don't really use twitter.

Also, I'm now worried about the sky falling and this age of the world ending.
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Posted 1/18/17 , edited 1/19/17


As someone said on Twitter, this is very little use to people outside of North America. Most of the Premium+ benefits don't amount to much for overseas users, so there's less incentive to do anything other than regular Premium.

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Posted 1/19/17 , edited 1/19/17

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As someone said on Twitter, this is very little use to people outside of North America. Most of the Premium+ benefits don't amount to much for overseas users, so there's less incentive to do anything other than regular Premium.



While it's currently only available for Premium+ members, that's only for the testing period. It does show that CR is trying to make progress moving from a Flash player to an HTML5 player for all users at some point.
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Posted 1/19/17 , edited 1/19/17

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While it's currently only available for Premium+ members, that's only for the testing period. It does show that CR is trying to make progress moving from a Flash player to an HTML5 player for all users at some point.

"Some point" is the key phrase. Let us keep in mind how long the HTML5 version of the manga reader has been in beta:
www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-941535/beta-version-of-our-new-html5-manga-reader-available-now-for-premium-members

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Posted 1/19/17 , edited 1/19/17
I haven't had a chance to read though all the code yet (it is sitting at a cool 24k lines), but the source for the videos itself is on VRV's backend. This makes me think that this is not only a beta test for CR, but for the player that will be on VRV once a web service is released, which could mean much faster turn around time than the manga beta.
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TiggsPanther wrote:

As someone said on Twitter, this is very little use to people outside of North America. Most of the Premium+ benefits don't amount to much for overseas users, so there's less incentive to do anything other than regular Premium.



I agree. I used to have a Premium+ subscription when it was required for Manga, but at some point that requirement was removed (and silently I might add, presumably in a bid to keep people on the more expensive package). Once I found that out I downgraded to Premium because Premium+ is pointless outside of America.

This should have been available to all paying members (and maybe even free members) via an option in their user profile.
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