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Posted 12/3/16 , edited 12/3/16
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If a illegal becomes a legal citizen of course they can vote. LMAO at rednecks getting mad at people influencing the election by voting, that literally what a fucking election is, you vote, you can't get mad someone voted another way. You vote for a leader that will take care of the country and it's inhabitants. Lmao how backwards is America
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>fox news
If a illegal becomes a legal citizen of course they can vote. LMAO at rednecks getting mad at people influencing the election by voting, that literally what a fucking election is, you vote, you can't get mad someone voted another way. You vote for a leader that will take care of the country and it's inhabitants. Lmao how backwards is America


Um... You may have missed the emphasis on "illegal aliens." Illegal aliens are not allowed to vote. However, they do, and their illegal votes present a danger to dangerously affect the outcome of our elections. That is the problem we are all becoming aware of.
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this is clearly why Hillary got elected

....oh wait.
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Considering the election of the Virginia Attorney general was decided by a margin of only 165 votes out of a total of 2,212,851, illegal immigrants voting in elections could've influenced the outcome. The illegal immigrant population was estimated as 260,000 in 2010. If only 0.1% voted, that could've influenced the whole thing.
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Morbius1 wrote:

Considering the election of the Virginia Attorney general was decided by a margin of only 165 votes out of a total of 2,212,851, illegal immigrants voting in elections could've influenced the outcome. The illegal immigrant population was estimated as 260,000 in 2010. If only 0.1% voted, that could've influenced the whole thing.


If the 0.1% banded together and voted the same way, then sure. And even if that 0.1% did happen to tip the election, the vote would have been so close that they would have ended up voting with nearly half the legal population anyway. I don't know if that would really count as having influenced the whole thing.
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For which party, pray tell, would you logically conclude that illegal immigrants vote? The party that wants to curtail illegal immigration or the party that is reluctant to curtail illegal immigration?

In 2005 the US GAO concluded that 3% of the 30,000 called for jury duty over 2 years for only one US district court were illegal immigrants. That would be 900 total over 2 years. Obviously, you must be a citizen to be able to vote or be eligible for jury duty. This means illegal immigrants are registering to vote. So, let's conservatively say that 1% of illegal immigrants in VA actually vote, which would still be conservative, that's over 2,000 illegal votes. It's still in the realm of possibility that the vote was influenced.
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Morbius1 wrote:

Considering the election of the Virginia Attorney general was decided by a margin of only 165 votes out of a total of 2,212,851, illegal immigrants voting in elections could've influenced the outcome. The illegal immigrant population was estimated as 260,000 in 2010. If only 0.1% voted, that could've influenced the whole thing.


If the 0.1% banded together and voted the same way, then sure. And even if that 0.1% did happen to tip the election, the vote would have been so close that they would have ended up voting with nearly half the legal population anyway. I don't know if that would really count as having influenced the whole thing.


The illegal voters would be told, "This individual candidate will make your illegal presence in this country, legal..." Therefore, such illegal voters would lend their weight to the illegal agenda... or words to that effect.
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bixnoodnigga wrote:

>fox news
If a illegal becomes a legal citizen of course they can vote. LMAO at rednecks getting mad at people influencing the election by voting, that literally what a fucking election is, you vote, you can't get mad someone voted another way. You vote for a leader that will take care of the country and it's inhabitants. Lmao how backwards is America


Um... You may have missed the emphasis on "illegal aliens." Illegal aliens are not allowed to vote. However, they do, and their illegal votes present a danger to dangerously affect the outcome of our elections. That is the problem we are all becoming aware of.





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staphen wrote:


Morbius1 wrote:

Considering the election of the Virginia Attorney general was decided by a margin of only 165 votes out of a total of 2,212,851, illegal immigrants voting in elections could've influenced the outcome. The illegal immigrant population was estimated as 260,000 in 2010. If only 0.1% voted, that could've influenced the whole thing.


If the 0.1% banded together and voted the same way, then sure. And even if that 0.1% did happen to tip the election, the vote would have been so close that they would have ended up voting with nearly half the legal population anyway. I don't know if that would really count as having influenced the whole thing.


The illegal voters would be told, "This individual candidate will make your illegal presence in this country, legal..." Therefore, such illegal voters would lend their weight to the illegal agenda... or words to that effect.


ifs funny to listen to people who still think their vote makes a difference. the people voted for hilliary. the goverment elected trump.
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As someone who has several illegal friends and family,i can assure you that they don't want anything to do with government heck most are too paranoid to even want to run their fake Social security numbers on a basic credit check for a cell phone purchase.
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As someone who has several illegal friends and family,i can assure you that they don't want anything to do with government heck most are too paranoid to even want to run their fake Social security numbers on a basic credit check for a cell phone purchase.


Yup. When you aren't in line with the law, you avoid authority like the plague. Like they are really going to risk exposing themselves over a fucking election.
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why would they risk getting caught just to vote?

shoulda stayed home
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For which party, pray tell, would you logically conclude that illegal immigrants vote? The party that wants to curtail illegal immigration or the party that is reluctant to curtail illegal immigration?

In 2005 the US GAO concluded that 3% of the 30,000 called for jury duty over 2 years for only one US district court were illegal immigrants. That would be 900 total over 2 years. Obviously, you must be a citizen to be able to vote or be eligible for jury duty. This means illegal immigrants are registering to vote. So, let's conservatively say that 1% of illegal immigrants in VA actually vote, which would still be conservative, that's over 2,000 illegal votes. It's still in the realm of possibility that the vote was influenced.


I can no longer believe that I can logically conclude what anyone would vote for, given the results of this most recent presidential election. And I don't know if you can conservatively say anything about how many illegal immigrants vote in US elections without any actual data to support your claim.

Also, given your number of an approximate 2.2 million Virginia voters, the candidate who won the election must have gotten somewhere around 1.1 million votes (though I didn't account for third-party votes in that particular calculation). Even if 2000 of those voters were illegal immigrants, that would mean at least 1.008 million legal citizens of Virginia voted the same way. Put another way, those 2000 illegal immigrants would have accounted for merely 0.18% of the total number of votes that candidate needed to win.

By comparison, Hillary won the popular vote by about 2.5 million votes based on current numbers, giving us a good lower bound for how much the electoral college would be influencing the 2016 election were it decided by popular vote (assuming there are no electoral college upsets). If we assume Trump needed a total of at least 65.2 million votes to win (because that's about how many votes Hillary got), this would mean that the electoral college accounted for at least 3.8% of the total number of votes Trump needed to win the 2016 election.

I have a hard time believing that the electoral college, which in practical terms can be described as a system by which nearly all states blindly foist all their representative power in favor of that state's more popular candidate, cares more about the well-being of the United States than its illegal immigrants do.
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And I don't know if you can conservatively say anything about how many illegal immigrants vote in US elections without any actual data to support your claim.


Oh you poor thing. Facts haven't mattered in months. America is a post-fact society now. Here, I'll let Trump's ringwraith explain:



"Well, I think it's also an idea of an opinion. And that's—on one hand, I hear half the media saying that these are lies. But on the other half, there are many people that go, 'No, it's true.' And so one thing that has been interesting this entire campaign season to watch, is that people that say facts are facts—they're not really facts. Everybody has a way—it's kind of like looking at ratings, or looking at a glass of half-full water. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth, or not truth. There's no such thing, unfortunately, anymore as facts.

"And so Mr. Trump's tweet, amongst a certain crowd—a large part of the population—are truth. When he says that millions of people illegally voted, he has some—amongst him and his supporters, and people believe they have facts to back that up. Those that do not like Mr. Trump, they say that those are lies and that there are no facts to back it up."


Objective reality died months ago.
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heck most are too paranoid to even want to run their fake Social security numbers on a basic credit check for a cell phone purchase.


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And yet they have fake SS numbers. But that's just to do fake credit checks, right? Ha.
Can't wait to hear about them being rounded up and put on the other side of the wall. Ahead of schedule and under budget.
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Staphen, I've provided you with a plethora of facts. If you fail to see that, then I'm afraid we can't have a discussion based on facts. Your continued belief that illegal immigrants, who undoubtably vote regardless of the law, are somehow conflicted and could vote for the party that eschews amnesty vs the party that desires amnesty for this population, defies logic.

Finally, I have to ask, are you a US citizen? If not, then I can understand your knowledge deficiency regarding the US system. The US is, believe it or not, a representative republic, or representative democracy, and NOT a pure democracy, at least when it comes to the national system of electing the President and Vice President. This is all spelled out in Article II of the US Constitution. The state elect electors who are either tied to the actual vote or are split depending upon the percentage of the actual vote.

The electoral college is a layer of defense against the tyranny of the majority against the minority. The founding fathers believed that a group of like-minded individuals might wield enough popular power to usurp the rights of another group or harm the nation as a whole. The way the states apportion the electors in a "winner take all" system allows for the winner of the popular vote to still lose the election because their opponent received more electors. I believe this is the 5th time this has happened in US history, so it's not like it's unprecedented.

Regardless of whether you agree with having an electoral college that ultimately votes for the President or strictly a democratic UP-Down vote, is a different discussion. Depending upon who's the recipient of the largesse of this system Democrats or Republicans support or revile the system: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html

I'm not trying to talk down to you, just to inform and have a discussion. If neither one of us can be intellectually honest with each other, then no discussion can begin and we mind as well just agree to disagree rather than mutually flinging dung at each other.
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