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People do tend to forget that the system is designed to protect both the people and the system.
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Outraged over what? Half of the people who can legally vote don't bother to turn out to vote, especially young people. Whereas illegal immigrants go to so much trouble and risk deportation and prison time to vote?

1) I just don't find this nonsense believable.
2) If this is true, and let's remember here that every year 50 people die from being struck by lightning, then frankly good for them.
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Statistically illegal voting is virtually non-existent. Votes require IDs anyway, any illegal trying to "vote" would end up getting deported since they'd just get caught as a non-citizen.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/.
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Sure, Jan.
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why would they risk getting caught just to vote?

shoulda stayed home


You delude yourselves. They come out to march and protest, demanding amnesty in Downtown Los Angeles. In 2014, they were out every Sunday for a few months.

I'm expecting more of the same, once Trump is sworn in. They aren't scared of nothing. They sign up for welfare benefits for their U.S. born babies. What makes you think their scared to use their fake or stolen ssn to find jobs, or get a cell phone? I see them texting away on their smart phones every freakin' day.

Don't give me that, "they're scared and hiding," crap.
Posted 12/4/16

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pandrasb wrote:

why would they risk getting caught just to vote?

shoulda stayed home


You delude yourselves. They come out to march and protest, demanding amnesty in Downtown Los Angeles. In 2014, they were out every Sunday for a few months.

I'm expecting more of the same, once Trump is sworn in. They aren't scared of nothing. They sign up for welfare benefits for their U.S. born babies. What makes you think their scared to use their fake or stolen ssn to find jobs, or get a cell phone? I see them texting away on their smart phones every freakin' day.

Don't give me that, "they're scared and hiding," crap.


I used to have a bunch of illegal immigrant friends, they used to be afraid of cops and actively avoid em on the street, they were mostly Mexican too. Used to be jealous of me because I was a legal immigrant. From my experience they were scared and hiding.
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DeadlyOats wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

why would they risk getting caught just to vote?

shoulda stayed home


You delude yourselves. They come out to march and protest, demanding amnesty in Downtown Los Angeles. In 2014, they were out every Sunday for a few months.

I'm expecting more of the same, once Trump is sworn in. They aren't scared of nothing. They sign up for welfare benefits for their U.S. born babies. What makes you think their scared to use their fake or stolen ssn to find jobs, or get a cell phone? I see them texting away on their smart phones every freakin' day.

Don't give me that, "they're scared and hiding," crap.


You see them texting on their smart phones every day? How do you know they are illegal? Do you just assume every brown person, or mexican you see is illegal and then get mad they have a smart phone?
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First, let me start by saying I agree that my distaste for the electoral college is another discussion. I was mainly using it as a point of reference to show using your own numbers how little influence illegal immigrants have by comparison. Feel free to disregard my final statement lest it derail the conversation.

Next, in regards to the facts you provided, I see and was able to verify your numbers for the 2013 election in Virginia for attourney general. I also found a site to verify your numbers for illegal immigrants, and putting aside the fact that I'm not really sure whether the number can be trusted as well as the fact that the year doesn't quite match, you haven't provided any facts to indicate what percentage of illegal immigrants are actually voting in (non-presidential) elections.

Third, I am a United States citizen. My parents and grandparents and who knows how many other generations before them have also been US citizens. I have never stepped foot outside this country.

My position and my argument haven't changed since my last post.
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“I routinely encountered people with voter registration cards. And as a part of my interview with them when they're arrested, I would ask them do you or have you voted? And often I would get the answer yes. So, that's not just anecdotal there are probably close to 100 people that did that in my career.


That amounts to about 3 people a year given the length of his career and the average amount of interior arrests ICE makes per year ( Which is roughly 32-33 per agent per year on average ). If we ignore every scientific control, graciously assume that this guy remembers all of his arrests over the past 30+ years of his career and that every ICE agent works only interior arrests ( no border entry patrol ) and performs as well as he does....

That gives us just 21,000 per year on average.

Also, yes, Claude, that is the exact definition of an anecdote.


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Congratulations on using a picture of words as source?
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runec wrote:



Congratulations on using a picture of words as source?


Ah URL didn't paste: https://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/non-citizensvote/
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goodman528 wrote:

Outraged over what? Half of the people who can legally vote don't bother to turn out to vote, especially young people. Whereas illegal immigrants go to so much trouble and risk deportation and prison time to vote?

1) I just don't find this nonsense believable.
2) If this is true, and let's remember here that every year 50 people die from being struck by lightning, then frankly good for them.


I know right. I mean rapists go to so much trouble to rape even though they might get prison time, why are people so upset that they rape? And the murderers too, it's like people just don't appreciate good crime! Why can't we all be so enlightened?
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Thank you. It's a rather interesting read actually and probably the best guess anyone can make with so little data.

Although you didn't say in what context you were presenting it. I was criticizing using this guy's personal anecdote as a nationwide data point like a number of "news" sites are doing. That report is far more useful than this doof's interview is but its still guess work and even its guess work doesn't rise to the number people or Trump are claiming.

Also you can just link the PDF instead of screenshotting it. Its really important to read the entire report and not just pick out select passages because of the methodology of the research.
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goodman528 wrote:

Outraged over what? Half of the people who can legally vote don't bother to turn out to vote, especially young people. Whereas illegal immigrants go to so much trouble and risk deportation and prison time to vote?

1) I just don't find this nonsense believable.
2) If this is true, and let's remember here that every year 50 people die from being struck by lightning, then frankly good for them.


I know right. I mean rapists go to so much trouble to rape even though they might get prison time, why are people so upset that they rape? And the murderers too, it's like people just don't appreciate good crime! Why can't we all be so enlightened?


A little lesson in logic:

Voting is a civic responsibility. Every citizen eligible to vote should go and vote, if you don't like the main candidates on the ballot, then you should write in someone yourself, and if enough people do it the system will change. When citizens do not take their responsibility seriously, and instead whine like babies and bitch about how bad the the candidates are. That is when the country and the institution of democracy is in trouble. If immigrants feel they have more at stake than citizens, then I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to participate. Even ISIS and even Al Queda should have a say, because that is how we solve problems in a democracy. Labeling a minority as "bad people" and attempting to invalidate all of their concerns is how you get terrorists.

Rape and murder is not that.
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goodman528 wrote:
A little lesson in logic:


Failing to follow logic doesn't qualify you to give lessons. If you cannot see the parallel then you are incapable of judging the issue. Perhaps some time with square and round pegs would be a more productive use of your judging abilities.
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