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I would welcome him to Australia if it were my choice he would make a great prime minister.

He did great for America albeit a few BIG mistakes (obama care)


Please, take him.


As i said i would if it were my choice it would put Australia into a golden age.


Yeah, he'd ship your jobs off-shore too. You'd lose your better paying jobs, and end up flipping burgers at half of your original yearly salary. That's what Obama beamed about proudly in that UN speech. Basically, he said (paraphrasing), "Americans were mad as hell, at me, that they lost their good paying jobs and got left with poorer paying jobs, but America's got to spread the wealth to other countries."

You can have Obama.



Presidents who presided over jobs being sent off-shore: Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama


Bullshit! NAFTA did not start until Bill Clinton signed it into law. Reagan and Bush Sr. weren't a part of that crap! But Bush Jr. did nothing to stop it, and Obama certainly intensified it.

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DeadlyOats wrote:


symon_ wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

I would welcome him to Australia if it were my choice he would make a great prime minister.

He did great for America albeit a few BIG mistakes (obama care)


Please, take him.


As i said i would if it were my choice it would put Australia into a golden age.


Yeah, he'd ship your jobs off-shore too. You'd lose your better paying jobs, and end up flipping burgers at half of your original yearly salary. That's what Obama beamed about proudly in that UN speech. Basically, he said (paraphrasing), "Americans were mad as hell, at me, that they lost their good paying jobs and got left with poorer paying jobs, but America's got to spread the wealth to other countries."

You can have Obama.



Presidents who presided over jobs being sent off-shore: Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama


Bullshit! NAFTA did not start until Bill Clinton signed it into law. Reagan and Bush Sr. weren't a part of that crap! But Bush Jr. did nothing to stop it, and Obama certainly intensified it.



jobs were going overseas before NAFTA existed, dude. Reagan was a union buster and without organized labor to stand up to corporations, jobs began to go overseas or be lost altogether to consolidation. this is part of the historical record.
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DeadlyOats wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

I would welcome him to Australia if it were my choice he would make a great prime minister.

He did great for America albeit a few BIG mistakes (obama care)


Please, take him.


As i said i would if it were my choice it would put Australia into a golden age.


Yeah, he'd ship your jobs off-shore too. You'd lose your better paying jobs, and end up flipping burgers at half of your original yearly salary. That's what Obama beamed about proudly in that UN speech. Basically, he said (paraphrasing), "Americans were mad as hell, at me, that they lost their good paying jobs and got left with poorer paying jobs, but America's got to spread the wealth to other countries."

You can have Obama.



Globalism isn't an unintended outcome, it is an inevitable one. It is one that will eventually come to be in generations to come whether we want to deny it or not. Its in the nature of capitalism. Companies flock towards the cheapest and biggest markets due to profit maximization. If they won't, their competitor will. We can't just bar labor when companies are now international entities. Part of their survival is now integrated in globalism. I don't understand what you and Trump supporters suggest. We fight free market? Good luck with that.
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Why is it that despite having more power than any other time in modern history, conservatives are more frightened than ever? It's like you are addicted to the fear. You are fucking unhinged. You get everything you want, and still can't shut up about how fucking persecuted you are. Grow up ffs.

It's time to stop worrying about Obama and start worrying about Trump. You are paying attention right?
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The rhetoric is literally insane. This is what happens when we allow medium to completely disenfranchise the political system. Not saying Washington doesn't have its issues that need to be fixed but to say that Obama is evil and insinuate that he plans to rule from the shadows really shows how ignorant you are. Nearly every president we've had has left pointers for the one that succeeds them. That doesn't mean they are governing their term. At all. It means they actually are trying to help them succeed.

This National movement trump has started is anything but Democratic. Success in democracy is measured by our ability to mediate both sides of the aisle to come together to fix issues. It's not complete villianization of anything that isn't far far right. Alex Jones and the like aren't harbingers of democracy, they are opponents of it. If you educate yourself on the beautiful duality of our political system it doesn't take a Masters thesis to realize that compromise is something he or Rush Limbaugh give the slightest damn about. They are part of an arm of the right who is so out of touch with social democracy that they don't even realize they advocate borderline fascism. You can see it in comments like these. Instead of being involved in the political process and wanting to improve it you completely denigrate anything that isn't completely 100% with your unreasonable views.


You quoted the opening thread, where I didn't have the Obama quotes to show... (a failure on my part), but you didn't quote my second major post, where I had the news articles with Obama saying exactly what I said, he'd said!

"Shadow president" was a poor choice of words. I should have said, "shadow saboteur." As a former president, he is going to organize Democrats and others to throw wrenches in Trump's presidency. This is what it boils down to. It's not rhetoric. It's not villainization. It's a point of fact, because Obama, himself, said he was gonna do it. This is something that no other president has ever done, in U.S. history! No former president actively campaigned to undermine a sitting president's administration of the country. This is what Obama said he's going to do!


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I finally found it! I thought he had said it during his address to the UN. I was mistaken. He made that pledge to reporters just before he left to go to another country to talk the leaders or something.

Here's the link to his address, if you want to watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5e8Gmw7xxk

From 9:10 until 13:42, he criticizes Trump's policies.

From 37:40 until 38:22, he justifies ceding some of U.S. sovereignty to the U.N. as it helps to promote the Liberals' globalist goals.


Here are a few news articles that reported Obama's promises to act as, what I'm calling "shadow president," that threaten to set a dangerous precedent for our country. His term is over. He needs to step aside and disappear, like every president before him has done. He can't be back seat president. That's gonna continue to cause divisions in our country.


Breaking Tradition, President Obama Vows To Fight Trump And His Divisive Policies


https://www.truthexaminer.com/2016/11/breaking-president-obama-vows-to-fight-and-take-on-trump-and-will-become-his-worst-nightmare/


This includes President Barack Obama who, even though he is leaving office soon, will not be like previous presidents and retire quietly. He intendeds to lead the charge against Trump by using his substantial popularity and credibility to build a coalition of legislators and voters.

The gathering of Obama’s coalition has been cheekily named “Obama Anonymous.” The goal of the coalition will be to stop Trump and to help protect all of the good work Obama has accomplished during his presidency.




Fight looms between 'fired up' Obama and Trump over regulatory rollback


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/15/fight-looms-between-fired-up-obama-and-trump-over-reg-roll-back.html


The outgoing president did not specify what his post-presidency role will be, but hinted he’d be involved and said he’d be “working shoulder to shoulder” with Democrats for “many years.”

Obama said he’d be in a position to make the case for why policies like ObamaCare should be preserved and said, “I’m still fired up,” referencing his 2008 campaign catch phrase.


In an earlier White House press conference before he left the country for his final overseas trip as president, Obama specifically addressed Republican plans to upend ObamaCare.




Obama vows to fight Trump to keep regulations in place


http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-predicts-wake-up-call-for-trump/


(FOX NEWS) A “fired up” President Obama vowed Monday that Donald Trump will find it’s not so “easy” to roll back his myriad regulatory policies, previewing a long fight ahead between his allies and majority Republicans taking control next year.

President-elect Trump has vowed to repeal and replace ObamaCare, while canceling “every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama.”




Posted 12/7/16

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jobs were going overseas before NAFTA existed, dude. Reagan was a union buster and without organized labor to stand up to corporations, jobs began to go overseas or be lost altogether to consolidation. this is part of the historical record.


The only union Regan busted was the Air Traffic Controllers. They were government employees and should not have been allowed to have a union in the first place.

Unions destroyed their own jobs by being greedy and forcing companies to give them fat retirement packages, health insurance, life insurance, dental insurance, unemployment insurance, disability, social security, etc, and inflated wages so that the union members don't miss that big chunk skimmed off the top of their paycheck for 'dues' which is spent on democrat campaigns. Why would a company want to stay in this country?

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Why is it that despite having more power than any other time in modern history, conservatives are more frightened than ever? It's like you are addicted to the fear. You are fucking unhinged. You get everything you want, and still can't shut up about how fucking persecuted you are. Grow up ffs.

It's time to stop worrying about Obama and start worrying about Trump. You are paying attention right?


Maybe we are capable of focusing on more than one thing at a time? I don't see anyone being fearful either. I do spy some salty tears, however.
Please try to calm down.
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jobs were going overseas before NAFTA existed, dude. Reagan was a union buster and without organized labor to stand up to corporations, jobs began to go overseas or be lost altogether to consolidation. this is part of the historical record.


You are twisting the historical record. I lived down the street from U.S. Steel in Chicago. The workers were all on strike. Japanese steel was cheaper than American steel. U.S. steel didn't want to increase wages. The workers went on strike. They were on strike for a few months. U.S. steel went out of business. Wisconsin Steel (in Indiana - strange that it wasn't called Indiana Steel), laid off a huge number of workers, and other steel factories across the U.S. were either laying off workers, or shutting their doors for good.

This was because American steel workers were very well paid, had excellent benefit packages, and drove the cost of American steel up. Japanese steel was far cheaper, and that's where the rest of the American industries went to buy their steel from. Japan, bought Iron ore and coal from the United States, shipped it to Japan, refined it into steel, shipped it back to the United States, and it was STILL CHEAPER than American made steel!

This is why we don't hardly have a steel industry anymore. These days, most steel is bought from China, I think. The workers' unions broke, not because of anything Reagan did, but because it was very evident that the steel workers struck themselves out of work. From that point, for very many years, American workers unions lost a lot of political clout, and became timid and cowed at the negotiating tables. None of the workers in the other industries wanted to follow in the footsteps of the steelworkers and their unions, and lose their jobs. That is what happened.
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"Shadow president" was a poor choice of words. I should have said, "shadow saboteur." As a former president, he is going to organize Democrats and others to throw wrenches in Trump's presidency. This is what it boils down to. It's not rhetoric. It's not villainization. It's a point of fact, because Obama, himself, said he was gonna do it. This is something that no other president has ever done, in U.S. history! No former president actively campaigned to undermine a sitting president's administration of the country.


Yeah, I can't see why a former president might be upset that an incoming president has vowed to destroy literally everything he spent 8 years working towards.

As for your shadow saboteur bullshit have you even been paying attention to the GOP the last 8 years? -.-




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Dude, how you gonna try and prove your point with biased journalism. Give me case studies, empirical evidence, and hard verifiable facts. You're drawing strange conclusions through confirmation bias. It's part of living in this off center bubble. This is probably normal to you. I'll tell you what though, I didn't like Bushes policies or his demeanor, but I sure as hell thought he was doing the best that he could.
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kinga750 wrote:

Why is it that despite having more power than any other time in modern history, conservatives are more frightened than ever? It's like you are addicted to the fear. You are fucking unhinged. You get everything you want, and still can't shut up about how fucking persecuted you are. Grow up ffs.

It's time to stop worrying about Obama and start worrying about Trump. You are paying attention right?


Maybe we are capable of focusing on more than one thing at a time? I don't see anyone being fearful either. I do spy some salty tears, however.
Please try to calm down.


Whiskey makes me mean but it doesn't make me wrong. This thread is absurd.

Still I'm sorry if I offended you
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I like President Obama so does the hacker activists Anon
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DeadlyOats wrote:
"Shadow president" was a poor choice of words. I should have said, "shadow saboteur." As a former president, he is going to organize Democrats and others to throw wrenches in Trump's presidency. This is what it boils down to. It's not rhetoric. It's not villainization. It's a point of fact, because Obama, himself, said he was gonna do it. This is something that no other president has ever done, in U.S. history! No former president actively campaigned to undermine a sitting president's administration of the country.


Yeah, I can't see why a former president might be upset that an incoming president has vowed to destroy literally everything he spent 8 years working towards.

As for your shadow saboteur bullshit have you even been paying attention to the GOP the last 8 years? -.-


Working towards what exactly? Destroying the health care system? Letting veterans die waiting on line at the VA? Using the EPA and IRS as weapons to oppress those he disagreed with? Failure to close gitmo? Get us out of Iraq? Get us out of Afghanistan? War with Libya, Proxy war with Russia in Syria? The god awful deal with Iran?
hundreds of billion$ in new regulations... What a list of failures. gg



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He is good president
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runec wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:
"Shadow president" was a poor choice of words. I should have said, "shadow saboteur." As a former president, he is going to organize Democrats and others to throw wrenches in Trump's presidency. This is what it boils down to. It's not rhetoric. It's not villainization. It's a point of fact, because Obama, himself, said he was gonna do it. This is something that no other president has ever done, in U.S. history! No former president actively campaigned to undermine a sitting president's administration of the country.


Yeah, I can't see why a former president might be upset that an incoming president has vowed to destroy literally everything he spent 8 years working towards.

As for your shadow saboteur bullshit have you even been paying attention to the GOP the last 8 years? -.-






Because it did nothing for the American people. All he did was accelerate the rate that Americans lost their good paying jobs, thus forcing them to take lesser jobs for half the pay.

You don't hear Bill Clinton bellyaching that NAFTA is gonna get trashed, too. Do you?


These are elected officials, currently in office. It is their job to follow the will of their constituents and oppose ideas that their constituents tell them they don't like.

Obama is leaving office. He only gets two four year terms to try to lead the country. When his terms are up, he needs to step aside, and shut up. Every president before him, got out of the way of the current president, and shut up.

What Obama is going to do is split the country between a currently serving president, and a former president. This is why I initially called him a "shadow president." I toned that down and called him "shadow saboteur," when I considered he might not let it go that far, but you've already seen how hot-headed Americans can get, Liberals taking to the streets, rioting, burning cars and things, beating people up who they thought were Trump supporters. Remember that homeless lady?

I'm not gonna lie. I seen how riled up Trump supporters got during the campaign, and I know that if Obama does go out there, when he gets out of office, and starts causing trouble from the sidelines, Trump supporters will get heated up over it. And I know Liberals, will get heated up over how heated up Trump supporters get. So, if the country really does end up getting split up like that, with Liberals lining up behind FORMER PRESIDENT Obama, and Trump supporters, lining up behind CURRENT PRESIDENT Trump, then I'll start calling Obama a "civil war instigator." I hope it doesn't go that far.

Look at how riled up the the country got after the election results. The country is split, nearly 50/50, for and against Trump. You don't think things won't get worse if Obama does this? The country is split, right now, even though things have simmered down a bit. It's gonna take a lot of time, and some good results from Trump's first 100 days, to calm things further. Trump needs to succeed or fail on his own merits. But if Obama is in the sidelines organizing opposition to Trump, that will only serve to keep the country split.
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