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Might be a slightly offensive opinion, but I think that the option should be legal. What should not be legal however is FORCED conversion. Also to be illegal is pressuring other people into it and forcing minors at all. Only the person undergoing the therapy is allowed to give the ok.

On the other hand, is there by any chance a straight conversion. If I want that option to be legal, its opposite should be a thing too.

Now if such things work at all or not, I honestly don't care. People should be free to do what they want, even if it is on something stupid and useless like homeopathic medicine or a liberal arts degree.


I wholeheartedly support this. I'm tired of constantly having these straight thoughts and impulses. I just want to be gay and fabulous, damn it!
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What's appalling is that they allowed it for this long in the first place? Well, at least it's been banned now I suppose?
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Homosexuals can be heterosexual and vice versa, but conversion therapy doesn't work. Trying to force it is to rely on a pseudoscience making presumptions about things we or the scientists do not understand. It is an unproven, harmful method that wrongly answers on how to influence or change gender.


Right, it's false advertisement. There's no way for them to brainwash someone into never thinking gay thoughts again. The best they can do is walk someone through cognitive therapy and see if they decide that concealing or suppressing gay thoughts is a good idea. Conversion Therapy basically does that, but instead of relying wholly on the human capacity for reasoning out thoughts and emotions and making logical deductions that benefit ourselves, it treats homosexuality as a superstition and offers superstitious solutions, like throwing salt over the shoulder to ward away bad luck, or in this case, zapping their balls till they crave imoutos.

I'm not a big fan of any of that genitalia abuse stuff. Circumcision, conversion therapy, or trans surgeries all seem like they're based in spiritual superstition. Unfortunately, it seems they're all things that are sometimes used on children. I feel they should only be the choice of willing adults.
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What's appalling is that they allowed it for this long in the first place? Well, at least it's been banned now I suppose?


I don't think you quite understand how laws work. In general, everything is allowed until someone makes a specific law against it. Drinking alcohol before driving was perfectly legal for decades after the invention of the motor car and it was only the high number of injuries and deaths that prompted action. Very few issues are made illegal on the chance that they may cause a problem in the future - usually a lot of evidence is required that the problem exists before law makers will vote on it.

As a side note it is probably a safe bet that it is still legal to do this sort of thing in your country as the number of places that have initiated an outright ban is minimal. Therefore the question back to you is why do you allow it in the first place? It is apalling that you haven't banned the practice already.
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There's therapy designed to convert people into being gay?!?!?!


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I know I'm probably going to regret asking but what the hell are you even talking about? "Since SJWs took over comics."?? You do know who the Joker is, right? The being dumped in acid thing is older than you are.


That's two face you're thinking of.



No. It's the joker. The ace chemicals factory, the heist where he's disguised as the original red hood, the killing joke.


Joker.

Two-face didn't even get dunked into chemicals, he just kinda had some acid splashed on him as I recall.


>Claims Comics has been taken over by SJWs
>Mistakes Two Face's Origin for Joker


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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
Homosexuals can be heterosexual and vice versa, but conversion therapy doesn't work. Trying to force it is to rely on a pseudoscience making presumptions about things we or the scientists do not understand. It is an unproven, harmful method that wrongly answers on how to influence or change gender.


Right, it's false advertisement. There's no way for them to brainwash someone into never thinking gay thoughts again. The best they can do is walk someone through cognitive therapy and see if they decide that concealing or suppressing gay thoughts is a good idea. Conversion Therapy basically does that, but instead of relying wholly on the human capacity for reasoning out thoughts and emotions and making logical deductions that benefit ourselves, it treats homosexuality as a superstition and offers superstitious solutions, like throwing salt over the shoulder to ward away bad luck, or in this case, zapping their balls till they crave imoutos.

I'm not a big fan of any of that genitalia abuse stuff. Circumcision, conversion therapy, or trans surgeries all seem like they're based in spiritual superstition. Unfortunately, it seems they're all things that are sometimes used on children. I feel they should only be the choice of willing adults.


I am beholden to the belief that science will make it possible one way or another, except my prescience tells me the altering of chemicals of the brain in the near future might be a "cure" rather than some therapy. The same might go for transgenders, alongside the leaps in genital modification.

This scares me quite a bit however. It raises moral concerns over altering someone's personality intentionally. I'm not one to use the "play god" argument against such things, but I will. Does anyone have such a right to change what nature intended, and will it be abused on even the most benign characteristics?

Regardless, I think the option option for conversion therapy might be better left open, but then there are such cases regarding teenagers and coercion.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:



I know I'm probably going to regret asking but what the hell are you even talking about? "Since SJWs took over comics."?? You do know who the Joker is, right? The being dumped in acid thing is older than you are.


That's two face you're thinking of.



No. It's the joker. The ace chemicals factory, the heist where he's disguised as the original red hood, the killing joke.


Joker.

Two-face didn't even get dunked into chemicals, he just kinda had some acid splashed on him as I recall.


>Claims Comics has been taken over by SJWs
>Mistakes Two Face's Origin for Joker


...


Kavalion wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
Homosexuals can be heterosexual and vice versa, but conversion therapy doesn't work. Trying to force it is to rely on a pseudoscience making presumptions about things we or the scientists do not understand. It is an unproven, harmful method that wrongly answers on how to influence or change gender.


Right, it's false advertisement. There's no way for them to brainwash someone into never thinking gay thoughts again. The best they can do is walk someone through cognitive therapy and see if they decide that concealing or suppressing gay thoughts is a good idea. Conversion Therapy basically does that, but instead of relying wholly on the human capacity for reasoning out thoughts and emotions and making logical deductions that benefit ourselves, it treats homosexuality as a superstition and offers superstitious solutions, like throwing salt over the shoulder to ward away bad luck, or in this case, zapping their balls till they crave imoutos.

I'm not a big fan of any of that genitalia abuse stuff. Circumcision, conversion therapy, or trans surgeries all seem like they're based in spiritual superstition. Unfortunately, it seems they're all things that are sometimes used on children. I feel they should only be the choice of willing adults.


I am beholden to the belief that science will make it possible one way or another, except my prescience tells me the altering of chemicals of the brain in the near future might be a "cure" rather than some therapy. The same might go for transgenders, alongside the leaps in genital modification.

This scares me quite a bit however. It raises moral concerns over altering someone's personality intentionally. I'm not one to use the "play god" argument against such things, but I will. Does anyone have such a right to change what nature intended, and will it be abused on even the most benign characteristics?

Regardless, I think the option option for conversion therapy might be better left open, but then there are such cases regarding teenagers and coercion.


To be fair, origin stories are rewritten all the damned time. At one point Two Face WAS just sort of slashed with acid. At one point the Joker WAS dipped in a vat of chemicals (Nicolson did it best).

Otherwise, nature doesn't "intend" anything. Shit happens. Mutations occur, and sometimes they're not immediately fatal. People get addicted to the chemical reactions of stress, or even their own thoughts or fantasies.
It's people with shining eyes and passionate voices telling other people if they're 'right' or 'wrong' that you need to worry about.
Posted 12/8/16

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>Claims Comics has been taken over by SJWs
>Mistakes Two Face's Origin for Joker






I didn't claim to be obsessed with comics m8 I just used to love watching the cartoons.
>captain britain is a muslim
>thor is now a black woman
>le epic mansplaining is bad! check your cis het privilege!
>Peter Parker is now black
Don't even get me started on the captain america bullshit
Also they made WW look like a mtf tranny, probably going to actually make her one with enough bitching from the SJW community.


On topic, I am so fucking glad Mike Pence got in.

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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


>Claims Comics has been taken over by SJWs
>Mistakes Two Face's Origin for Joker






I didn't claim to be obsessed with comics m8 I just used to love watching the cartoons.
>captain britain is a muslim
>thor is now a black woman
>le epic mansplaining is bad! check your cis het privilege!
>Peter Parker is now black
Don't even get me started on the captain america bullshit
Also they made WW look like a mtf tranny, probably going to actually make her one with enough bitching from the SJW community.


>Wrong

>Wrong

>Stupid

>Wrong

>Stupid

>Wrong



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The notion that "SJWs are taking over comics" is just as ridiculous and unfounded as it was when people were saying that about videogames and movies and whatever else. I give a tiiiny bit more credence to the comic claim because of BMB's recent streak of pushing for female and poc characters to take the roles of pre-established heroes even when it makes no damn sense, but that is only one writer who works for only one publisher and who's only really touched about 1/5 or less of the books currently being printed by said publisher. Hardly indicative of the state of comic books as a whole.


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If I was going to acknowledge your older post I would have. You don't have to quote me and point out your old post that's not an argument.

>>wrong


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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:



I know I'm probably going to regret asking but what the hell are you even talking about? "Since SJWs took over comics."?? You do know who the Joker is, right? The being dumped in acid thing is older than you are.


That's two face you're thinking of.



No. It's the joker. The ace chemicals factory, the heist where he's disguised as the original red hood, the killing joke.


Joker.

Two-face didn't even get dunked into chemicals, he just kinda had some acid splashed on him as I recall.


>Claims Comics has been taken over by SJWs
>Mistakes Two Face's Origin for Joker


...


Kavalion wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
Homosexuals can be heterosexual and vice versa, but conversion therapy doesn't work. Trying to force it is to rely on a pseudoscience making presumptions about things we or the scientists do not understand. It is an unproven, harmful method that wrongly answers on how to influence or change gender.


Right, it's false advertisement. There's no way for them to brainwash someone into never thinking gay thoughts again. The best they can do is walk someone through cognitive therapy and see if they decide that concealing or suppressing gay thoughts is a good idea. Conversion Therapy basically does that, but instead of relying wholly on the human capacity for reasoning out thoughts and emotions and making logical deductions that benefit ourselves, it treats homosexuality as a superstition and offers superstitious solutions, like throwing salt over the shoulder to ward away bad luck, or in this case, zapping their balls till they crave imoutos.

I'm not a big fan of any of that genitalia abuse stuff. Circumcision, conversion therapy, or trans surgeries all seem like they're based in spiritual superstition. Unfortunately, it seems they're all things that are sometimes used on children. I feel they should only be the choice of willing adults.


I am beholden to the belief that science will make it possible one way or another, except my prescience tells me the altering of chemicals of the brain in the near future might be a "cure" rather than some therapy. The same might go for transgenders, alongside the leaps in genital modification.

This scares me quite a bit however. It raises moral concerns over altering someone's personality intentionally. I'm not one to use the "play god" argument against such things, but I will. Does anyone have such a right to change what nature intended, and will it be abused on even the most benign characteristics?

Regardless, I think the option option for conversion therapy might be better left open, but then there are such cases regarding teenagers and coercion.


To be fair, origin stories are rewritten all the damned time. At one point Two Face WAS just sort of slashed with acid. At one point the Joker WAS dipped in a vat of chemicals (Nicolson did it best).

Otherwise, nature doesn't "intend" anything. Shit happens. Mutations occur, and sometimes they're not immediately fatal. People get addicted to the chemical reactions of stress, or even their own thoughts or fantasies.
It's people with shining eyes and passionate voices telling other people if they're 'right' or 'wrong' that you need to worry about.


You're right, and I am well aware of that, but I said it poorly. Perhaps I was repetitive. I should've said abused on benign characteristics on someone's default, natural state. Though I guess the problem wouldn't exist with expressed consent. Even then, it leaves loopholes to coercion and such. I am also quite worried of the beginning of movements to "eradicate" certain characteristics.

I think I can better explain what I meant. Perhaps it would be foolhardy to mess with nature's intent on such characteristics without the consent of the individual with a competent mind. In other words, children might be excluded till they themselves decide to go through it. Some might be happy being gay.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


>Claims Comics has been taken over by SJWs
>Mistakes Two Face's Origin for Joker






I didn't claim to be obsessed with comics m8 I just used to love watching the cartoons.
>captain britain is a muslim
>thor is now a black woman
>le epic mansplaining is bad! check your cis het privilege!
>Peter Parker is now black
Don't even get me started on the captain america bullshit
Also they made WW look like a mtf tranny, probably going to actually make her one with enough bitching from the SJW community.


On topic, I am so fucking glad Mike Pence got in.



It is a pretty common practice in comics to suddenly have someone else take the mantle of another hero, or be inspired by such to become a vigilante of sorts. A lot of it is due to racial pandering I'd imagine, but again, not an expert on Marvel properties. Most of those are lesser known comics printed with the regular comics rather than a straight up racial retcon like they did by making Sulu gay.

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Amyas_Leigh wrote:

If I was going to acknowledge your older post I would have. You don't have to quote me and point out your old post that's not an argument.

>>wrong




Really? Do you even try to learn about what you're talking about?

1. That's Dr. Faiza Hussan, she's a long running supporting character for Captain Britain and a badass superhero in her own right. If Brian Braddock ever needed a successor she would be perfect and the only other contender I can think of would be Magic Boots Mel.

2. What you're describing happened in 2012. I don't know when exactly you think SJWs took over comics, but all the things people normally complain about when asserting that notion happened within the last 2 years or so.

3. That happened in an alternate timeline and that timeline was later erased. It's Dragonball GT levels of non-cannon.

So yeah, you're complaining about SJWs taking over comics because an established supporting character was given a superhero mantle by her mentor 4 years ago that lasted a couple pages and isn't even cannon.

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Note: Looks like octorockandroll explained the origin of the image. I had forgotten to point out that it was Dr. Faiza Hussain.

The rest of your comments about comics have been incorrect. But rather than just saying "WRONG!" (ala Trump), I'll explain.

>captain britain is a muslim
Brian Braddock is still Captain Britain. I think you confused this for Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan.
Unfortunately, that image isn't from her comics either. There's always Simon Baz (a member of the Green Latern Corps) who is also a Muslim-American. Please note that both of these characters were out 2-5 years ago.

>thor is now a black woman
You're close, it's actually a caucasian/white woman. You've seen her in the movies - it's Jane Foster

>Peter Parker is now black
Not quite, Miles is the Spider-Man in a different Earth. Marvel has way too many different "Earths" (universes). Peter Parker is still around; nothing's really different (other than the time he switched bodies with Doctor Octavius [Superior Spider-Man was the comic arc])

Don't even get me started on the captain america bullshit
You mean when they used the story arc of him being a sleeper agent for HYDRA, only to expose that his memories have been manipulated by an enemy? Like pretty much the storyline of similar arcs in comics since the early 80's? Yeah, no. He's not really a HYDRA agent, never was. One issue does not make for an entire arc.

Also they made WW look like a mtf tranny, probably going to actually make her one with enough bitching from the SJW community.

Um.....okay....



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It is a pretty common practice in comics to suddenly have someone else take the mantle of another hero, or be inspired by such to become a vigilante of sorts. A lot of it is due to racial pandering I'd imagine, but again, not an expert on Marvel properties. Most of those are lesser known comics printed with the regular comics rather than a straight up racial retcon like they did by making Sulu gay.



God, I fucking hate that they made Sulu gay. Not even just the fact that they did it, but the fact that they asked George Takei for permission to do it and he respectfully asked them not to to remain true to the vision of his close friend the late and great Gene Roddenbury and they fucking did it anyway. What a bunch of assholes.
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Unfortunately, that image isn't from her comics either. There's always Simon Baz (a member of the Green Latern Corps) who is also a Muslim-American. Please note that both of these characters were out 2-5 years ago.

>thor is now a black woman
You're close, it's actually a caucasian/white woman. You've seen her in the movies - it's Jane Foster

>Peter Parker is now black
Not quite, Miles is the Spider-Man in a different Earth. Marvel has way too many different "Earths" (universes). Peter Parker is still around; nothing's really different (other than the time he switched bodies with Doctor Octavius [Superior Spider-Man was the comic arc])

Don't even get me started on the captain america bullshit
You mean when they used the story arc of him being a sleeper agent for HYDRA, only to expose that his memories have been manipulated by an enemy? Like pretty much the storyline of similar arcs in comics since the early 80's? Yeah, no. He's not really a HYDRA agent, never was. One issue does not make for an entire arc.

Also they made WW look like a mtf tranny, probably going to actually make her one with enough bitching from the SJW community.

Um.....okay....







This doesn't really mean all that much, but I felt I should just point out that Miles and Peter are in the same universe now, operating as spidermen seperately. All the other earths mentioned were destroyed at the end of secret wars (2015) not to be confused with Secret Wars (1984) not to be confused with Secret Invasion (2008).
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