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Posted 12/7/16 , edited 2/3/17
since when laws can stop determined non-law abiding individuals?

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Posted 12/7/16 , edited 10/9/17
If only these Republicans cared about real people as much as they care about unwanted zygotes.
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/10/17

geauxtigers1989 wrote:

If only these Republicans cared about real people as much as they care about unwanted zygotes.


Strictly speaking, I don't think they necessarily care about people or unborn babies. they care about votes. Conservative Christians think that human life begins at conception that abortion is literally murder. So for people who strongly believe this, restricting abortion rights is an important issue. Conservative Christians are a big part of the Republican base, so even if it doesn't make sense to people who don't belong to that group, lawmakers who go against abortion rights are doing what many of the people who voted for them want.
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Xxanthar wrote:

Are we really going to debate abortion on crunchyroll?


Didn't we do that in some other thread?


Yeah. We're not done talking about Trump... There's loads more to say about him and his policies. We also need to cover topics on lame-assed duck Obama. We don't have time to talk about abortion, too....













































(You know. I'm being facetious. Yeah?)
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 10/19/17

EarthLight22 wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

If only these Republicans cared about real people as much as they care about unwanted zygotes.


Strictly speaking, I don't think they necessarily care about people or unborn babies. they care about votes. Conservative Christians think that human life begins at conception that abortion is literally murder. So for people who strongly believe this, restricting abortion rights is an important issue. Conservative Christians are a big part of the Republican base, so even if it doesn't make sense to people who don't belong to that group, lawmakers who go against abortion rights are doing what many of the people who voted for them want.


that being said, it still seems like a bit of a collaboration between church and state, even if they're not supposed to intersect. the only way that anti abortionists get away with criminalizing abortion is through the usage of pseudoscience and 'studies' performed by quacks who're actually religious fanatics. it's a violation of the concept of church not colliding with state, at least to some degree. there is almost no pro lifer i've met who uses 'science' as a whole argument without some religious backing.

here's the honest to god truth, at least what I consider to be my truth. it doesn't affect me. as a woman, and a woman who certainly doesn't feel fit to be a mother nor want to bear children? I don't care what another woman does with her body. technically, it's not my place to intervene, and people who attempt to intervene out of personal offense and stand outside establishments as detached to actual abortion as Planned Parenthood, or actual abortion clinics themselves? are honestly to me more subject to condemnation. it's not your place to tell a woman what to do with her body if the fetus is before a certain gestation where abortion could become dangerous. as a pro choice person i've never said i've fully supported late term abortions for anything other than dire circumstances either, before such a time a decision obviously needs to be made- that being said, I honestly don't think there should be that many constraints on the law of abortion. Without it, women will still abort anyway, and possibly die as a result, would people really rather punish mothers of unneeded fetuses and clusters of cells by disallowing them chance to rid themselves of that unwanted little thing? i guess they would.

maybe i'm just a cruel heartless woman as they claim for believing in reproductive rights, but I don't want more rape born, incest conceived, disabled to where life is hell for them, and other babies who'll end up being hurt by their circumstances because abortion is outlawed. just because a fetus can technically be born at the cutoff date for abortion doesn't mean abortion itself is worth outlawing, and most children who're born at twenty weeks die anyway from their undeveloped forms. I'd rather there be less unwanted babies if it means there'll be less economic hardship and general pain all around.
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/9/17
on the fence of this subject, both sides have valid points.

my solution, go pro choice but with a fine.

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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 10/19/17
Improve our adoption systems 100-fold and provide more welfare programs for mothers in need, then I'll think about outlawing abortion. Something tells me that's not going to happen.
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/9/17
Even if it gets outlawed in the usa people will just go to countries like china and India to have it done so it really doesn't do anything.
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 10/8/17
My opinion is as followed: If you are not a female, there's not much you can say about this entirely.
As a guy myself, I stay away from discussing my views on abortion because I know that it doesn't impact me directly.

Before you mention anything about a "potential child" of my own - I've had girlfriends who had abortions with little to no input from me.

A woman's body is her own, that's the basic logic that I adhere to. If you start talking about how the child is another life and all that, keep in mind that the mother still has to decide to allow for a parasite to live within her for nine months. A child lives off of the mother and can easily bring about a slurry of different health issues. If the mother wants a child, so be it. If they choose not to have a child, then nobody should stand in their way from having a safe and legal method of changing this.

Outside of that, for those who are strongly opposed to abortion - I'd like to understand what you wish for the child who survives the forced pregnancy of a woman who wishes not to have a child. The core reality is that 62% of adopted children are those who are newborns/infants (less than a year old). Another huge chunk of those is the 1-to-5-year-old crowd - leaving the over-five (to eighteen) having low adoption rates.

The adoption system needs to become more streamlined, it isn't an easy situation. The only reason I was adopted when I was 12 years old was because my grandparents had a change of heart (they gave me up when my mother passed away, I stayed in foster care for six months). So before any type of practical way of outlawing abortions can take place, those who are against it must figure out an alternative.

Passing any type of law that makes abortion illegal won't stop abortions. It'll just make them more dangerous. Finally, what would you think is a "reasonable" crime for someone who broke said law?.
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 10/8/17
I just don't see republicans even being capable of doing that. Kinda like the gay marriage thing. The pandora's box has been opened, you can't close it.

ninjitsuko wrote:

If you are not a female, there's not much you can say about this entirely..


Transmisogynist much?
The correct term is 'birthing individual'

http://www.allenbwest.com/michellejesse/transgender-dad-offended-by-pregnant-women-midwives-deliver-epic-response
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/15/17
Some Christians only worry about the child when it's still in the womb.
Afterwards they don't give a damn.

They are modern day Pharisees.
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/16/17
How is it. That you think it's okay to force pregnant rape victims to give birth to a child of such trauma? Or others in relation to the matter. Not to mention you clearly have your head up your ass and no educational method of viewing this conversation. Just bigot thoughts and narrow-minded approach. You probably thought Jesus is white. When the stories take place in Modern Arabic nations
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/9/17
Seems problematic to me, since a lot of women don't know they're pregnant by the sixth week. Not everyone is gonna notice they missed their period right away, especially if they have an irregular menstruation cycle.

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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/9/17
I still don't know why you can't be conservative in constitutional ideals, but have a separate opinion about the definition of life, etc.

I mean, I know why because majority ideology.

But it still never fully clicked why these two completely different topics have to thoroughly coincide.
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 12/8/16
Pro-choice.
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