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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 12/8/16
This issue depends on your perceptive of morality. This issue has it's roots in philosophy, and there is never a correct answer in philosophy, only the answer you agree with.
On one hand, its a woman's body she can choose what happens to it and the baby isn't alive until its out of the womb. This is valid in its own right.
On the other hand, the baby is the baby, not the woman it is inside and the baby is alive once conceived. This is also valid in it's own right.
Whichever stance you take, you're probably not going to change. Also, you're probably not going to change other people's stances, nor should you try to unless you are willing to change (or at least compromise) with your own stance. This is not to say that discussion and debate is bad, but keep in mind the point of these is understanding or to take on a new perspective, not to prove one is right and the other wrong.

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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/16/17

starshots wrote:

Pro-choice.


Same.
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 10/9/17
First to go will be gay rights
Then woman's rights
then Civil rights
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uncletim wrote:

First to go will be gay rights
Then woman's rights
then Civil rights
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No Civil rights? Oh well, can't be wprse than Marvel's Civil War(s).

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starshots wrote:

Pro-choice.


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I can't stand people making such a decision for others when most of them will never even have had to consider it before. A majority of us all seem to complain saying some people just shouldn't have had kids at all and yet we will now be forcing many more to have kids they themselves don't even want. How many kids will now seek out birth parents only to be told "Well, I would have aborted you but the government said I couldn't".
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I'm going to assume that a fair amount of conservatives are theists; and, thus they see abortions as a bad thing. I think it's up to the woman to decide for herself what she should do. Now, it's not a requirement for someone to be religious to view abortion as a bad thing; but, it ought to be decided by personal discretion. The government has no right to infringe on a person's freedoms. Although I'm not so obstinate that I can't see the other perspective on this. Additionally, we all should keep a level head when "debating" this topic. I hope this issue doesn't result in outlawing abortion; but, conservatives have the upper hand when it comes to legislation.
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 12/9/16
I find the lack of personal responsibility to be the most disturbing thing about this whole abortion issue. If you can't spare a couple bucks for condoms, or another form of birth control, maybe sex is not something that should be so high on your list of priorities. I understand accidents, the mothers life being in danger, conception because of rape or incest, are all valid reasons for abortion, if you lack the means to care for a child. However, there are also many who use government subsidized planned parenthood as a form of birth control. Life is not something that should be cut up and then vacuumed out of existence because you're too lazy to hit the convenience store for some rubbers.
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/18/17
Honestly.

I could care less. What do I care?

People talk about this shit, but they have no problem giving up a kid for adoption, right? Is that not the same fucking thing? Just getting rid of the problem right?

Seriously. People talk about abortion like it's a crime. What's the crime? There are a lot of people in this world that would have been better off not existing, but yet here they are in our world, on the news for our entertainment.

No I'm not a woman, and no I don't have a vagina, so my opinion doesn't matter. Who cares.

I'm just saying that people would rather watch a child grow up suffering for entertainment and job security rather than maybe using such a possibility of new studies.

Again who cares about my opinion. I'm just a man. Just a low life man.
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Xxanthar wrote:

I find the lack of personal responsibility to be the most disturbing thing about this whole abortion issue. If you can't spare a couple bucks for condoms, or another form of birth control, maybe sex is not something that should be so high on your list of priorities. I understand accidents, the mothers life being in danger, conception because of rape or incest, are all valid reasons for abortion, if you lack the means to care for a child. However, there are also many who use government subsidized planned parenthood as a form of birth control. Life is not something that should be cut up and then vacuumed out of existence because you're too lazy to hit the convenience store for some rubbers.


Birth control can fail no matter how many layers of it a person is using. Getting an abortion is also a decision that is a responsible decision.

Also, pro-choice.
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 12/9/16

Xxanthar wrote:

I find the lack of personal responsibility to be the most disturbing thing about this whole abortion issue. If you can't spare a couple bucks for condoms, or another form of birth control, maybe sex is not something that should be so high on your list of priorities. I understand accidents, the mothers life being in danger, conception because of rape or incest, are all valid reasons for abortion, if you lack the means to care for a child. However, there are also many who use government subsidized planned parenthood as a form of birth control. Life is not something that should be cut up and then vacuumed out of existence because you're too lazy to hit the convenience store for some rubbers.


>> well said, Xanthar more focus should be on protection and or condom use.
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Xxanthar wrote:

I find the lack of personal responsibility to be the most disturbing thing about this whole abortion issue. If you can't spare a couple bucks for condoms, or another form of birth control, maybe sex is not something that should be so high on your list of priorities. I understand accidents, the mothers life being in danger, conception because of rape or incest, are all valid reasons for abortion, if you lack the means to care for a child. However, there are also many who use government subsidized planned parenthood as a form of birth control. Life is not something that should be cut up and then vacuumed out of existence because you're too lazy to hit the convenience store for some rubbers.


Since I agree with allowing it in those circumstances listed I'll only address the bolded part.

I agree that it shouldn't be just something so easily done because of laziness but at the same time, if you don't give them abortion as an option, you are then expecting these obviously irresponsible people to either raise that child or have good enough judgment to put it up for adoption or give it to someone else to raise. That, or you have enough confidence in our child protective services to save the child and not let it fall through any cracks.

It shouldn't be a free pass option just out of laziness but I do think it should still be available. I just think there needs to be some kind of system that doesn't allow constant abortions or has some kind of fine in place that goes up if you try to get them done repeatedly.
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/18/17
Eh, let them get abortions. Fetuses are nothing more than parasites anyway so who really cares?
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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 8/9/17
I do think the father should have more rights when it comes to the matter of abortion but besides that I'm pro-choice.
Posted 12/8/16 , edited 12/9/16

MopZ wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:

I find the lack of personal responsibility to be the most disturbing thing about this whole abortion issue. If you can't spare a couple bucks for condoms, or another form of birth control, maybe sex is not something that should be so high on your list of priorities. I understand accidents, the mothers life being in danger, conception because of rape or incest, are all valid reasons for abortion, if you lack the means to care for a child. However, there are also many who use government subsidized planned parenthood as a form of birth control. Life is not something that should be cut up and then vacuumed out of existence because you're too lazy to hit the convenience store for some rubbers.


Birth control can fail no matter how many layers of it a person is using.


Yep, just like an bolt of lightning can hit you on a sunny day. There are always exceptions. If it happens and you honestly can't raise a kid proper, abortion may be your only answer. There are many childless couples who would gladly pay a mother's medical expenses in order to adopt the child. That may also be an option. These days we also have the 'morning after pill' as well.

I just think abortion is used too frequently as a quick fix for people being lazy, irresponsible, and generally not caring for anything besides their own pleasure.

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Posted 12/8/16 , edited 12/9/16
As long as the fetus is not at a viable age of development.

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