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so more robots, more self checkouts and more 29-ish hour employees

the answers to $15 minimum wage and obamacare :?

Some will not admit it but i think more stores will be like this in the future

People are using their smart phones for a lot of things now aday.. android pay/apple pay, banking, online shopping (1 click check out), etc..

https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=16008589011

Introducing Amazon Go and the world’s most advanced shopping technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc

i have to check out one of these stores (if any)-- it's an interesting idea but how do they prevent people from just looting the store ? probably have security guards at least
Posted 12/9/16 , edited 12/9/16
I'd never shop there. They will just use it to collect more information on you and sell it. What kind of food did you buy, how much, how often, average sugar content, average fat content, average sodium content... then your insurance company uses that information to boost your rates.
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We're not getting $15 an hour minimum wage with a republican congress and president anyways.

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No, this isn't the answer to anything. This is the direction the world is going because unless you are paying slave wages, automation will always be cheaper. We just need to accept these changes and accommodate the evolution that we are seeing and will continue to see in the workforce.

Its a really cool idea though.
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It isn't like it isn't going to happen anyway, even without such wages. As technology progresses, it'll inevitably become cheaper and better. In any case, the argument for $15/hr is based on the belief that a sensible store would not change its policies to accommodate, which most of them do. We're essentially making more human workers less viable in that case in exchange for less workers, less cost.

Though to go back on technology, it is pretty dandy. I expect the lower class jobs to be here for some time, but not a long time.
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Im amazed anyone is angry at an acceptable living wage, but to promote automation and further losses in the workplace is crazy.
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The $15 an hour wage is a sham, pushed by unions who want to victimize, er, "organize" minimum wage workers and therefore take a cut of that $15 an hour wage as union dues.

Of course, as predicted, it's been a disaster. And if implemented widely enough, inflationary and market pressures will effectively render $15 an hour in a few years to have the same economic power as $7.25 does today...except there will be fewer jobs available. Minimum wage jobs are never meant to be "living wage" jobs; they're meant to give a person money while they learn about the system, while bettering themselves for future jobs that have a higher income.
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No, this isn't the answer to anything. This is the direction the world is going because unless you are paying slave wages, automation will always be cheaper. We just need to accept these changes and accommodate the evolution that we are seeing and will continue to see in the workforce.

Its a really cool idea though.



most of us own products "made in China/Vietnam/Philippines. etc.."

if $8-$10/hr is "slave wage"

compare the wages they are paying people overseas..

but hey! we westerners must have our latest gadgets right ?

it's not the latest report.. but an iPhone will cost around $280-ish to produce ? but what's the price they are selling it for ?

and the wage they are paying for cheap labor with no benefit ?

federal minimum wage? medical insurance? are there such things over there ?

these tech giants are making huge profits by paying people "slave wages" with no benefit in another country to sell their products at a cut throat price here..

but it's just business.. and yet the same companies are ranting on for human rights and fair wages..


not only that but they also owes back taxes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/apple-owes-145-billion-in-back-taxes-european-authorities/2016/08/30/e7f6ed80-6ea2-11e6-9705-23e51a2f424d_story.html


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I didn't realize amazon had their own physical grocery store prior to this.
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sundin13 wrote:

No, this isn't the answer to anything. This is the direction the world is going because unless you are paying slave wages, automation will always be cheaper. We just need to accept these changes and accommodate the evolution that we are seeing and will continue to see in the workforce.

Its a really cool idea though.



most of us own products "made in China/Vietnam/Philippines. etc.."

if $8-$10/hr is "slave wage"

compare the wages they are paying people overseas..

but hey! we westerners must have our latest gadgets right ?

it's not the latest report.. but an iPhone will cost around $280-ish to produce ? but what's the price they are selling it for ?

and the wage they are paying for cheap labor with no benefit ?

federal minimum wage? medical insurance? are there such things over there ?

these tech giants are making huge profits by paying people "slave wages" with no benefit in another country to sell their products at a cut throat price here..

but it's just business.. and yet the same companies are ranting on for human rights and fair wages..

not only that but they also owes back taxes


I struggle to understand what you are trying to say.
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Sethbbyrd wrote:

Im amazed anyone is angry at an acceptable living wage, but to promote automation and further losses in the workplace is crazy.


"but to promote automation and further losses in the workplace is crazy."


Further automation is a good thing in every country.

Hopefully at one point we can get rid of working nearly altogether and put people on a universal income.

the job i am planning to go into will help make this dream a reality hopefully.
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sundin13 wrote:

No, this isn't the answer to anything. This is the direction the world is going because unless you are paying slave wages, automation will always be cheaper. We just need to accept these changes and accommodate the evolution that we are seeing and will continue to see in the workforce.

Its a really cool idea though.


well said.

Hence why universal income has a bright future as a concept (Despite it's flaws which can be worked on).

More and more jobs will become Automated eventually 99% of jobs will be most likely automated or run by AI.

We need to evolve and prepare for that future not try and force the NOW to always be the future.
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So assuming automation and AI do overtake low/middle class jobs, creating massive unemployment, what is the solution? Some liberals have suggested a minimum living wage for everyone, regardless of employment. That would be a massive welfare system, but if corporations are so profitable that the taxes they pay can actually support such a system, maybe it's the best case scenario. Or maybe at that point we would need to reevaluate our economics on a fundamental level.

What are possible ramifications if technology effectively eliminates the need for humans to work? Think about it. No more jobs, unless you want to work. Would it elevate us to new heights or destroy us?
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I can appreciate the notion of a $15 minimum wage, but it lacks practicality. It really would cause more problems than anything else. It'll also likely never see the light of day in legislation, because of conservative presence in government. Perhaps minimum wage ought to be raised. However, $15 is too much and far too costly. It also isn't fair to the people that have already earned a $15 wage.
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Dogempire wrote:

We're not getting $15 an hour minimum wage with a republican congress and president anyways.



Maybe not nationally, but individual states are allowed to set their own minimum wage, so therefore it can, and already has, happen in some states. Oregon has already passed a bill that will increase their minimum wage to $14.75 an hour by 2022. While the increase will be gradual, it is a step in the right direction. And there have been talks in my state of Vermont of doing the same.
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