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Posted 12/16/16 , edited 12/16/16

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You know.... Amazon is going to make its money, not just by opening more Amazon Go stores. They're gonna make a ton of money licensing this technology to all of the major grocery stores and convenience stores around the world..... So, not only are middle class jobs getting shipped overseas by NAFTA, and the globalist agenda, but even the below middle class jobs will be eliminated.

Are they trying to start a revolt? Are they trying to push the unemployed, and under employed millions who will lose their jobs to this tech to revolution? It will be a revolt against not only the government, but the invisible hand of the globalists that have co-oped our government.


Even if you kill off NAFTA/TPP or any other "globalist agenda" - you're going to be faced with jobs being automated. Even the jobs that Trump "saved" at Carrier - Carrier's parent company has said that the tax breaks that they're getting from the government to "save these jobs" will be put into automation of the factory - the jobs saved are the "checkers" that I mentioned in my post above yours. It's not just this particular technology - it's the progress of all technology.

We've allowed ourselves to focus more on evolution through technology that corporations/companies are starting to realize that they're going to save a lot of money by getting rid of the "human component". It's cheaper to purchase technology and a maintenance warranty than it is to keep paying a human as long as they're employed at your company.


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There will be massive loss of jobs. You can't ever say "that is progress" without the irony that poverty will go even worse. People with low paying jobs will get poorer, the shrinking middle class will finally vanish, and the 'merely rich' will become the barely rich. While the 'super rich' owners of these automated shopping centers, hospitals, taxi services, etc get richer and richer.

They need to kill this tech with fire. Kill it with fire!


There's a difference between technological progress and progress of society. Entry level positions will become even more difficult to obtain as more and more companies realize the cost-saving benefits of having technology perform most of those positions via automation. You're not going to be able to "kill this tech with fire" (unforunately, that's not how the tech industry works at all). You either can learn how to code or you can learn how to maintain these systems - those are your only saving grace when it comes to technological progress. Just like any other market - you have to make yourself needed. Imagine supermarkets and convenience stores that are fully automated through similar "Amazon Go" technology. Amazon isn't the only company that's working on such automation - they're just the first ones to try it out in a practical, customer-facing environment. "This tech" has been around for quite some time, it's finally getting to the advanced level where it can actually be utilized on a full-scale production model (even if for testing purposes).

I guess the best I can say is "get used to it". It's not going away and the only way you can really jump ahead of it is to become one of the types that performs maintenance on these systems. It won't just be entry-level positions that are at risk when it comes to supermarkets and "superstores" (Target/Walmart) - but all retail positions (store management as well). Why would you pay a manager at a Wal-Mart $75,000 a year when they're only making sure that the automated systems are up and running? They're no longer managing people - which is why there's a human component there. There'd just be an IT specialist on-site that would be ensuring that these things are working. Imagine a grocery store with no checkout, no human interaction, and the security guards are simply several robots that monitor the area? We're headed in that direction. Maybe not in the next 5 or 10 years, but it's coming eventually.


Yes. Why don't YOU be the lemming that runs off the cliff and kills themselves, so that the one or two out of one hundred checkers and baggers, can stay employed....

Your logic sucks ass.
Posted 12/17/16 , edited 12/17/16

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Yes. Why don't YOU be the lemming that runs off the cliff and kills themselves, so that the one or two out of one hundred checkers and baggers, can stay employed....

Your logic sucks ass.


No matter how much it sucks ass (for the record, I agree with you on that) that's the reality. You're old enough to at least remember when manufacturing unions fought hard and long against automation via machinery in their workplace. Guess what? They lost. That's how technology functions as a whole.

Checkers and baggers would likely be zero if/when automation becomes full blown. Just like when physically stressful positions began to decline due to the rise of technology, so will entry level positions. It may "suck ass" but people have fought for three decades to kill specific technology that does a better job than a human - this is just another loss in the many. It'll be a good five to fifteen years (give or take) before more retail outlets and grocery stores will begin to ponder if they want to move to this technology. Look at the semi-automated fast food chains where you pre-order your food/drinks via an app or in-store computer: they're not fully blown yet, but some companies are starting to test the validity of replacing greeters and cashiers with them.

I was one of the lemmings who had a strong idea that these things will happen eventually and got a degree in Computer Science. Soon enough, though, that'll be equivalent to a high school diploma.
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I'd never shop there. They will just use it to collect more information on you and sell it. What kind of food did you buy, how much, how often, average sugar content, average fat content, average sodium content... then your insurance company uses that information to boost your rates.


Dang bro you thinking too deep but it can be a possiblity now especially on how everything is intertwined
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I'd like the food delivered to my refrigerator please
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DeadlyOats wrote:

You know.... Amazon is going to make its money, not just by opening more Amazon Go stores. They're gonna make a ton of money licensing this technology to all of the major grocery stores and convenience stores around the world..... So, not only are middle class jobs getting shipped overseas by NAFTA, and the globalist agenda, but even the below middle class jobs will be eliminated.

Are they trying to start a revolt? Are they trying to push the unemployed, and under employed millions who will lose their jobs to this tech to revolution? It will be a revolt against not only the government, but the invisible hand of the globalists that have co-oped our government.

There will be massive loss of jobs. You can't ever say "that is progress" without the irony that poverty will go even worse. People with low paying jobs will get poorer, the shrinking middle class will finally vanish, and the 'merely rich' will become the barely rich. While the 'super rich' owners of these automated shopping centers, hospitals, taxi services, etc get richer and richer.

They need to kill this tech with fire. Kill it with fire!

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I see I'm not the only one that has seen the writing on the wall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz65RFAQ4N8



In the end full global automation will happen we need to work on universal income for the future jobless society.

There will be more and more less jobs as the future goes on and we need to prepare for it.

I hope this happens and as a future programmer i will work my hardest to make sure we can get towards a jobless society.


Whether you like it or not we are going to have a society where the majority don't work and have basic income i see this as progress.

I can say it is progress as it is the problem is blind people aren't planning ahead for it.
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I'd like the food delivered to my refrigerator please :D


they already have an app for that..

pretty much you will pay someone to do grocery shopping for you and restock your fridge..

if you want you can hire others to do various things for you as well.. cleaning, dog walking, fixing, creating, etc..

i forgot the name of the app.. i saw ot on abcnews once

there's even an app where you can rent people's bicycle, cars, etc..
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i saw this recently. It's funny but educational at the same time

Pledge for $15 - Pledge to Start a Business That Pays a $15 Minimum Wage! | We the Internet TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvixY6yLQns

the claim about 2/3 -ish of small businesses went bankrupt within the first 1-2 year and 80 % within the first 5 years -- you can check IRS data or use NOLO
http://www.nolo.com/about/staff.html#editorbios

I read through one of their books before --
https://store.nolo.com/products/the-small-business-start-up-kit-smbu.html

They have many on business
http://store.nolo.com/products/business-formation/starting-a-business




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How to get $15/hour min wage: Create a labor shortage by having a fully employed workforce. Deport all the Illegals and the wage across the country will rise.
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No, these are the reasons we will need a universal income
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there's a recent study on $15/hr

i'll use CNN. since some people like them despite their agenda

New study casts doubt on the benefit of Seattle's $15 minimum wage
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/news/seattle-minimum-wage-15/index.html
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Rujikin wrote:

How to get $15/hour min wage: Create a labor shortage by having a fully employed workforce. Deport all the Illegals and the wage across the country will rise.


Most work on the topic of Illegal Immigration says that the only impact it has on wages is a small dampening effect on the High School Dropout demographic. By "deporting all the illegals" you will see virtually no change overall in terms of employment and wages.
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You will find this interesting. I think people should be demanding at least $26/hr instead of $15

HIDDEN CAM: 'Stealing' Illegal Immigrant's Jobs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq4WBOkFNtE

"La raza "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=La%20Raza



Hidden CAM is the best way to expose things-- the animal right activists did the same thing.

I can't wait for those contact lenses cameras to be available! :)


Future tech: Sony files U.S. patent for smart contact lens that records and plays video - TomoNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjbpTXpeNK4
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You will find this interesting. I think people should be demanding at least $26/hr instead of $15

HIDDEN CAM: 'Stealing' Illegal Immigrant's Jobs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq4WBOkFNtE

"La raza "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=La%20Raza



Hidden CAM is the best way to expose things-- the animal right activists did the same thing.

I can't wait for those contact lenses cameras to be available! :)


Future tech: Sony files U.S. patent for smart contact lens that records and plays video - TomoNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjbpTXpeNK4


La raza La raza Chino -- apparently all Asians are Chinese as well

$400 in 3 days? $160 for 6 hour ? screw $15/hr then!! these guys know how to demand a living wage!! so the only tax they will pay is sale tax (everyone got to eat!) that's a pretty dang good take home income!!

I'll stand at the corner too then (on my free time and see if i can make some easy cash this way..)

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La raza La raza Chino -- apparently all Asians are Chinese as well

$400 in 3 days? $160 for 6 hour ? screw $15/hr then!! these guys know how to demand a living wage!! so the only tax they will pay is sale tax (everyone got to eat!) that's a pretty dang good take home income!!

I'll stand at the corner too then (on my free time and see if i can make some easy cash this way..)




Amazon is getting bigger and bigger by the day. It's the battle of the giants. Did you lower the shipping requirement back to $35 ?

If you are free and need tax free cash-- just find a corner with day laborers.
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