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No, no chaplains in public schools - it would be seen as a potential violation of separation of church and state or worse, be seen as an endorsement of one faith over another. Private schools may or may not have one.

(There is a similar issue with chaplains in military service, but no one's really wanted to get into that fight.)

Americans have had a love/hate relationship with religion since the country's founding, and for many years to be other than 'Christian' (meaning Protestant) was to be marginalized and demeaned. We have now transferred some of the hate to 'Muslims', failing to understand that most of them, just like most 'Christians', want nothing more than to be left alone to live their lives in peace.

For MysteryMiss - I'm sorry your experience has been negative. You have the right to your opinions and your religion, no one has the right to utilize vandalism or the threat of violence to oppress or intimidate you. I may not agree with you, but you have those rights and no one should take them from you.




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I remember when I was in elementary school a girl was told to stop praying before eating her lunch.
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MonoDreams wrote:

I remember when I was in elementary school a girl was told to stop praying before eating her lunch.


Why?
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octorockandroll wrote:


MonoDreams wrote:

I remember when I was in elementary school a girl was told to stop praying before eating her lunch.


Why?


The school's mascot was a demon
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Atheists pitch a hissy fit any time something remotely religious is brought up in US public schools. The only time I remember religion being brought up was in elementary school around Christmas time about the different holidays celebrated.
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MonoDreams wrote:

The school's mascot was a demon


...I don't get it.
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Yes, it's true. It's part of our separation of church and state. This is a good link: http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Public-education/The-law-and-its-influence-on-public-school-districts-An-overview/Religion-and-Public-Schools.html

Basically, you can be taught about religion but you cannot be taught that a specific religion is the truth or the only faith. You can express your religious beliefs in schools as long it's not inappropriate (i.e. something vulgar or insulting) and as long as it does not interfere with the well-being of others. Schools are required to allow religious clubs.

In regards to a Chaplain, for the specific items you mention: We have a school breakfast and lunch program for kids whose families make below a certain income. We have guidance counselors which are there (or at least supposed to be) in cases of bullying. The library also ends up being used as a safe space. I know several people who ate their lunch there rather than run the risk of bullying in the cafeteria.
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Religion is legally separated from school in America. In other words, unless you go to a private religious school, religion is cut out from public education. It's best that way. Besides, I would not approve of a bible thumper for a teacher. School is the last place where I'd want to see religious ideologies being force fed to me. Anyway, outside of public school, you're free to express yourself religiously and that's great. I mean, if you believe in God that's cool. I can't really say much though, being that I'm an agnostic.
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In God we trust printed on money

Can't get more religious than that Folks!
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Xxanthar wrote:


MysteryMiss wrote:

On another note a bit of topic
does this offend you?

the atheist in our city fought to have the nativity scene taken down keep in mind christmas is a Christian holiday.
what i find hypocritical is that in N.Hollywood they can fly their rainbow flags all over or the Jews have there star? Like i said America
is going down a very bad path.



Where is the baby jesus and mary in that pic? They were probably stolen by an atheist.


For a lot of public Nativity sets the Baby Jesus statue isn't added until Christmas Eve or day, so there's nothing suspicious about it being gone. As for Mary, I believe she is usually always there, but they could be doing the same for her.
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MysteryMiss wrote:

On another note a bit of topic
does this offend you?

the atheist in our city fought to have the nativity scene taken down keep in mind christmas is a Christian holiday.
what i find hypocritical is that in N.Hollywood they can fly their rainbow flags all over or the Jews have there star? Like i said America
is going down a very bad path.

Where is it located? In a public school? Then yes, it should be taken down. That's promotion of a specific religion and it's a display not something a specific individual is wearing. Same if it's at any governmental building. It's not about offending, it's about a religiously-neutral place promoting a specific religion.

If it's not at a school or governmental building, then I don't know why they would be fighting to take it down. There's no reason.

And for the record, my answer would be the same if it was a Pride display or something displaying Jewish religion.
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Posted 12/10/16

gabuhaha wrote:


MysteryMiss wrote:

On another note a bit of topic
does this offend you?

the atheist in our city fought to have the nativity scene taken down keep in mind christmas is a Christian holiday.
what i find hypocritical is that in N.Hollywood they can fly their rainbow flags all over or the Jews have there star? Like i said America
is going down a very bad path.

Where is it located? In a public school? Then yes, it should be taken down. That's promotion of a specific religion and it's a display not something a specific individual is wearing. Same if it's at any governmental building. It's not about offending, it's about a religiously-neutral place promoting a specific religion.

If it's not at a school or governmental building, then I don't know why they would be fighting to take it down. There's no reason.

And for the record, my answer would be the same if it was a Pride display or something displaying Jewish religion.


Isn't pride day a bit different though? I mean, it's not exactly the same thing as a religion. Like... at all.
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Artlicker wrote:

yap, true and i dont even know what a chaplain is


"A chaplain is a non-denominational cleric (such as a minister, priest, pastor, rabbi, or imam), or a lay representative of a religious tradition, attached to a secular institution such as a hospital, prison, military unit, school, business, police department, fire department, university, or private chapel."
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Posted 12/10/16

MysteryMiss wrote:

On another note a bit of topic
does this offend you?

the atheist in our city fought to have the nativity scene taken down keep in mind christmas is a Christian holiday.
what i find hypocritical is that in N.Hollywood they can fly their rainbow flags all over or the Jews have there star? Like i said America
is going down a very bad path.



Nope we have a setup like this in my towns mall.

whether people like it or not Christmas is a christian holiday at its roots so it only makes sense for the birth of Jesus to be recreated around christmas.
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octorockandroll wrote:
Isn't pride day a bit different though? I mean, it's not exactly the same thing as a religion. Like... at all.


No, it's not and yes, it doesn't technically fall under the separation of church and state. But the roots of discrimination against LGBTQ people are based in religion which is going to cause cries of people being forced to do things that are against their religion. I think a school could hold a Pride day and their right to do so would be upheld in court but schools should be focused on learning, not causing drama. Keep it clubs and outside of the school.
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