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You realize that ISIS has no planes right? Btw Turkey is bombing the Kurds and they are on our side... The rebels are just anti-assad they still hate us. The Syrian civilians are only being bombed from the air by our coalition and Russia, everyone else uses ground forces or missiles. We are not even willing to declare war on Assad despite trying to remove him.

That no-fly zone would do nothing but start a war because of Obama not committing to anything and he cannot negotiate ANY deals. If we setup a no-fly zone we have to shoot down Russian planes headed to bomb ISIS, which IS AN ACT OF WAR. We also have to give Turkey express permission to bomb the Kurds. If we support the Kurds then we have to move our air bases out of Turkey. If we support Turkey then we will have fucked over the Kurds yet again and northern Iraq will split off.


It's almost like the no-fly zone was meant directly to limit the bombing of non-Isis targets in the civil war that was going sideways before Isis even stepped in the picture, while the US and Russia use Isis as a pretext to respectively undermine and prop up Assad. Neither country is (currently) interested in going war over a shot down plane, and setting up a no-fly zone would draw clear lines on legit targets rather than 'accidentally' bombing another hospital or school and retroactively claiming it was an Isis target.
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*saves post* Thank you very much for this image. It describes what I think about the forums in a nutshell right now! It made me laugh. Thanks!
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Posted 12/11/16

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it shouldn't be that difficult to setup a secure intranet for usa only to vote online using a 2048 bit encryption where once you prove you are a citizen you get a certificate from a certificate authority and can either vote via a state app or online. This is America it shouldn't be that difficult to deploy. There are other countries that can vote online and they don't have the voting problems we have


Pfft. You, my dear, have clearly never dealt with anyone from the federal government. Some of the laziest, most incompetent people work for the federal government.

Paper is far more reliable. Really.



I have family, friends of family etc. in the federal government. They are some of the most honest, hard working and fun people I have ever met. I would dare say you are working from a small sample size, just as I am.

For the record. One in the FBI, one in the CIA, 4 West Point Graduates and one who works as a civilian in the Army Corps of Engineers (my dream before it was dashed by the upcoming freeze).
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People want to believe in government conspiracies,
because they want to believe someone has control of this messy world
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ssssh putin is kawaii
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Dark_Alma wrote:

I have family, friends of family etc. in the federal government. They are some of the most honest, hard working and fun people I have ever met. I would dare say you are working from a small sample size, just as I am.

For the record. One in the FBI, one in the CIA, 4 West Point Graduates and one who works as a civilian in the Army Corps of Engineers (my dream before it was dashed by the upcoming freeze).


Congrats. You found Waldo.

Are there some competent people in the government? Yes. Just as there are competent doctors, teachers and pretty much every other profession out there. However, those that aren't lazy or are competent are usually drowned out by the butt kissers, and those who we say are "promoted to the highest level of incompetence". And I know this because I personally work for the man.

TL;DR - We have a saying in the government - F up, Move up.

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Dark_Alma wrote:

I have family, friends of family etc. in the federal government. They are some of the most honest, hard working and fun people I have ever met. I would dare say you are working from a small sample size, just as I am.

For the record. One in the FBI, one in the CIA, 4 West Point Graduates and one who works as a civilian in the Army Corps of Engineers (my dream before it was dashed by the upcoming freeze).


Congrats. You found Waldo.

Are there some competent people in the government? Yes. Just as there are competent doctors, teachers and pretty much every other profession out there. However, those that aren't lazy or are competent are usually drowned out by the butt kissers, and those who we say are "promoted to the highest level of incompetence". And I know this because I personally work for the man.

TL;DR - We have a saying in the government - F up, Move up.



The Peter Principle writ large is the foundation of all organizations.

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*saves post* Thank you very much for this image. It describes what I think about the forums in a nutshell right now! It made me laugh. Thanks!


No problem friend :)! It's hilarious at this point. No compromise, no discussion, just a bunch of people touching themselves in front of a mirror. It's like a mini senate minus the paycheck.
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Posted 12/11/16 , edited 12/11/16

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Grimm1223 wrote:

Seriously though it's Putin, the man is clearly one disfiguring injury and a cat away from full bond villain status are you really surprised he would authorize rigging an election?


what if I told you the usa rigged foreign elections in the middle east, had our hands in it


Remember this?

http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/

Yeah... I remember this...

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http://archive.is/og8wu

So... The FBI is countering the CIA? Remember how the CIA director endorsed Hillary against The Donald? Now they are desperately trying to discredit Trump with, "It's the Russians!" Yeah... I don't believe the CIA, who endorsed Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in a Presidential Election... I don't understand why an organ of government would get political in the first place... But they got political... They have an agenda.... And I don't believe them!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
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As fascinating as this is, let's be reasonable. It isn't like they used a mind control ray. I feel some people would be quick to jump on that bandwagon.


Maybe the Soviets did end up building that Psychic Dominator

By the way, do you serve Yuri?


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Pssh I got the original C&C on the day it was released... yeah I'm old.

As far as doing online voting, that is a bad idea, no paper trail of any kind which means if it does get hacked, there is no way to verify the actual results. I live in Oregon and we have (imo) the best voting setup in the country. Ballots are mailed to registered voters who then fill them out and sign them, then turn in at their leisure (ballots are mailed several weeks before the election) to a ballot box (located at police stations, courthouses, libraries, etc) The signature on the ballot envelope is compared to your state ID (driver's license etc) then the ballot is added to the pool and counted on election day. Waiting lines to vote? Non existent. Possible hacking interference? Not really no voting machines to hack, and if there is any doubt a recount of the ballots can easily be done.

Regardless of who won the election, evidence of a foreign nation tampering with the election undermines the entire republic, and should be completely investigated. Oh wait I forgot, Trump supporters are fine with election fraud as long as it benefits them, and Democrats are only looking for a scapegoat, evidence be damned!
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Mail-in ballots are probably the most vulnerable form of current voting, actually. For those truly determined, duplicating a signature isn't the hard part. The hard part is simply accessing said ballots en masse, but I wouldn't pretend that our post offices are super secure fortresses immune to break-in or employee corruption.

The real issue, however, is the systematic closure of voting locations, in part to curb minority voting and discourage others to partake when they show up and see multiple-hour lines. Realistically, there should probably be some standard of locations per population within a city, with emphasis on avoiding controversial locations like churches. Additionally, Election Day should be a paid national holiday, so one doesn't go out on their lunch break hoping to vote just to find they can't if they don't wanna get in trouble with their boss. Mail-ins can still be an option, of course, but physical voting will continue to remain the safest option barring machine error or tampering.

That said, it is incredibly foolish to presume that voting machines can not be compromised simply because they're not linked to the internet. If anything, that lack of connectivity and the age of tech, depending on where you're from, could make it that much easier to do so. Can you guarantee the closet your district keeps things in is monitored 24/7/365? Machine I personally voted at just looked like a modified Canon scanner, complete with USB ports. With a dongle and a little know-how, I don't doubt votes could be manipulated as they're scanned via installed malware. And unless a hand recount is requested, we'd be none the wiser to tampering if the results don't look like a landslide. Such is why I at least encouraged the recounts, even if Stein encouraging them was questionable. Better safe than sorry 'n all that.

When it comes to registration, the snag there is not everyone has a driver's license or state ID. Additionally, if you moved to a different area and lost something like your birth certificate, you're looking at fees just to clarify identity. That's $45 not everyone has to throw around, and we can't just presume such a certificate was lost due ineptitude if playing the blame game. Nonetheless, I don't disagree that there should be a specific form of voter ID that should be freely acquired, be it at the nearest DMV, city building, or other authorized location. And if this can somehow be translated to a secure form of online or phone-in voting, even better. I'd even go on to encourage a slight tax break for people who do vote, if for any reason, to increase turn-out.
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Pssh I got the original C&C on the day it was released... yeah I'm old.

As far as doing online voting, that is a bad idea, no paper trail of any kind which means if it does get hacked, there is no way to verify the actual results. I live in Oregon and we have (imo) the best voting setup in the country. Ballots are mailed to registered voters who then fill them out and sign them, then turn in at their leisure (ballots are mailed several weeks before the election) to a ballot box (located at police stations, courthouses, libraries, etc) The signature on the ballot envelope is compared to your state ID (driver's license etc) then the ballot is added to the pool and counted on election day. Waiting lines to vote? Non existent. Possible hacking interference? Not really no voting machines to hack, and if there is any doubt a recount of the ballots can easily be done.

Regardless of who won the election, evidence of a foreign nation tampering with the election undermines the entire republic, and should be completely investigated. Oh wait I forgot, Trump supporters are fine with election fraud as long as it benefits them, and Democrats are only looking for a scapegoat, evidence be damned!


whether or not it "worked in our favor"
I don't believe it period, even if Clinton won, just saying
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

As fascinating as this is, let's be reasonable. It isn't like they used a mind control ray. I feel some people would be quick to jump on that bandwagon.


Indeed. Besides, I doubt his voters from the Rust Belt cared more about Wikileaks than about reviving their industry. They're not roaming the internet getting manipulated by fake news, russian hackers, whatever. They were turning on the TV and seeing Trump say "we're gonna build refineries, we're gonna get rid of government regulations on shale, natural gas, clean coal." That stuff actually affects them.

If we're talking about the states that tipped the election, that's what we're talking about, so I don't think the Russian hackers, or the alignment of the planets, or whatever else they're talking about mattered that much.
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