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does hate speech exist?
Posted 12/12/16
To me the only hate speech is when someone calls for a lynching of someone else. Anything else is basically name calling, and you should have learned to deal with that pre-school.
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Posted 12/12/16
Hate speech can't actually harm someone by itself, so it doesn't bother me because I don't curl up in a corner if someone says something racist or homophobic to me. I'm sure there are some people who you should avoid directing negative comments towards (people about to commit suicide, for instance), but if you're a fully functional human being it shouldn't bother you.

There's a fine line between saying something and actually doing it, calling for the death of someone is one thing, but actually killing them is entirely different.

I'm sure that anything that is considered hate speech has a good reason to be considered so because of the ideas it spreads and the possible effects on others said ideas could have if enacted or if said ideas are taken to heart.

But I don't know much about the issue or the legal reasoning to make hate speech illegal, so meh.

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Posted 12/12/16 , edited 12/12/16
anti hate speech laws could easily be used to censor non hate speech just as much as actual hate speech in truth i think for the most part no form of censoring of words and such shouldn't be allowed. the only thing that should be criminal should actually trying to rally up people go out and physically hurt other people or try and take other peoples free speech away.
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Posted 12/12/16
"Hate speech" is subject to individual perspective, and possibly individual emotion. However, it is a byproduct of free speech.

Given how hate speech is as I described hitherto, who is to say what hate speech truly is? These days, anything can be hate speech. Conflicting opinions can be considered "hate speech". Though, you'd think something would be hate speech if the person making such commentary is implying hatred toward something or someone....such as racists who say things like "Well them ni***rs is always--" or whatever. However, everybody is different, and there are those who can still maintain the old sticks & stones attitude, those who will not be brought down by words. If you want a better explanation of how not to be offended by words, take Sargon's advice from this video.
Ideally, it would be nice if all people were considerate of each others' feelings before saying things, but it's not that simple, because we're all different. As for any of us who are sensitive to words, we just need to suck it up somehow. That itself isn't easy, either, but progressing toward toughening up against words can do you good in the long run.

Keep in mind that how I defined "hate speech" is just my own, and there are sure to be inconsistencies with other people's interpretations of hate speech.
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Posted 12/12/16 , edited 12/12/16
Hate speech exists, but the issue is how thin-skinned people are and how quick they are to label anything offensive as hate speech.

No, the idiot calling you racist things next to the 7-11 is not hate speech. Nor is it hate speech when someone on a Facebook post calls you a racial slur. That's just rudeness. Under many jurisdictions, hate speech is that which is intended to incite violence or prejudicial action against certain groups. You also need to take into consideration the context of the speech, which people are quick to dismiss for some idiotic reason. CONTEXT MATTERS as much as circumstantial evidence in any case.

If what they're saying isn't meant to actually spur people to take action against a certain group, it's not hate speech. You have to look at both what is said and the context in which it is said.

Just like how people are quick to cry discrimination, they are quick to cry hate speech. Hate speech, legally, is actually rather extreme. During most of your lifetimes, you have probably only encountered it a handful of times, contrary to what you might believe.

Anyway, the first amendment does not exclude hate speech, and the law is much more comfortable punishing what is done rather than what is thought or merely said, although, again, circumstantial evidence matters. And for good reason. You need to shelter some bad speech in order to protect speech that actually matters. We're not keen on punishing thought-crimes but we somehow rush headlong into doing so when we get than sort of tunnel vision induced by certain buzzwords. The reaction is often more dangerous than the speech itself. But that's on you at that point. You get to choose how you react to the noises coming out of someone's mouth when he shows no intention of actually causing any harm. And if you overreact, that's your fault.
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Posted 12/12/16
I'm for free speech. But as with all freedom, you have to pay for your decisions. Free speech means the government doesn't round you up for talking trash. That doesn't keep your fellow citizens from criticizing you for your words, or your boss from firing you for them.
Posted 12/12/16
The influence of this no-rules generation have spread throughout society thru universities the media, the entertainment industry and so on.. From these positions, they pressure the rest of us to not only tolerate but give legitimacy to whatever they want even behaviors we find immoral or disgusting.
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Posted 12/12/16
Why are people so shocked at the idea of hate speech laws? I see some people in this thread acting like it's the first and only time limitations have been put on rights, when pretty much the exact opposite is true. You have free speech of course, but that doesn't give you the right to do things like yell "FIRE" in a crowded theatre. Likewise, you have freedom of religion but that doesn't mean you can legally justify any action you take by claiming it was part of your religious beliefs. You have every right to be against anti-hate speech laws of course, but to act as if they're unprecedented in limiting freedoms that are already being limited is just wrong.
Posted 12/12/16
If you hate people who use hate speech, and then voice your opinion about hating those that use hate speech, wouldn't that be considered a form of hate speech?
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Posted 12/12/16
I find the the issue of legality/illegality is a foundation that encourages many to participate in hatefulness. Ending hate is accepting everyone as the way they are, by doing so, this forces individuals to grow past their excuses they may produce in hatred of others and themselves. Doing so also forces an individual to re-do everything they've ever heard/said before recognizing this to be peaceful. As one might do so, they'll also find that all those around them are still stuck on habitual tendencies to incite hate while thinking they do the opposite. Willfulness is necessary to get through the hatred that has become taught in schools/politics/media... anywhere that has any form of boundary or segregation.
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Posted 12/12/16
Of course it's real, no it shouldn't be illegal as it's part of free speech.
Posted 12/12/16
Hate speech? Don't you mean bantz with the lads?
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Posted 12/12/16
Well, it technically exists as an idea. Whether it exists in the real world is ultimately dependent on how you define it. But based on the definition from the Bar Association, I would say so.


Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.
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Posted 12/12/16
Of course hate speech exists; someone has assigned that label to certain kinds of speech, so it must exist. And it exists regardless of the consistency of its definition. We can ask whether hate speech is a useful or reasonable category of speech, but it exists because we've started using the category.
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Posted 12/12/16
Hate speech is as free of speech as flag burning. If you don't like what someone says, counter their argument with a better argument. A good argument speaks for itself.
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