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does hate speech exist?
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hate speech exists but if try outlawing hate speech will likely lead to outlawing free speech. the only thing that shouldn't be allowed is acting on hate speech such murdering people cause of skin color and such
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It exists, yes. But should anything be done about it? Nah.

Freedom of speech includes freedom to hate. This is why racism, sexism, anti-religion, things like that are perfectly legal, as strange as it sounds.

In America, you are by law, allowed to make a protest against anything, as long as you are peaceful and don't obstruct traffic or harass people. (Which is something many protestors today forget about.)
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ran76 wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Of course hate speech exists. It's kind of easy to find :/

That being said I think it should only be outlawed when it is in violation of other laws, like if the people doing the hate speech are harassing or inciting violence.


That's how it already is, at least within the US. You can say almost anything you want as long as it doesn't cause harm to another person. Saying "That person is an asshole because he's black/white/asian/etc." isn't illegal. Shitty yes, but perfectly legal. Saying "That person is an asshole because he's black/white/asian/etc. and you should burn down his house" not so much.


That being said I think people have forgotten in this day and age that just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean it shouldn't be condemned/ignored/called out for what it is. That people have freedom of speech and that right should be respected, doesn't mean we must respect the content of that speech. If you exercise your first amendment rights to be a racist asshole, I cannot stop you nor should hate speech be outlawed. It and everyone who spouts it should however be treated like garbage, shunned, and held in the utmost contempt.They chose to be racist, and while I respect their right to be a racist, I will not, nor am I obligated to treat them or their opinions with respect. Because they're, you know, racist. Inherently undeserving of respect.

They have the right to exist and speak, to have their civil rights upheld in full. And I will give them nothing more than that. Respect for someone as a human being with rights should be a given. Respect for someone as a person though? If they're a terrible person, and one who doesn't respect other people as full human beings at that, I don't see why I should have to give them the time of day.
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i gave a hate speech once.
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Hate speech certainly exists and it's a definite problem in our world. However, I'm against outright outlawing hate speech since it could lead a slippery slope. Mind you, "outright outlawing" means throwing someone in jail (and that's too harsh of a punishment for hate speech), but being fired for saying or doing something bigoted is okay (though, of course, we should first create some sort of universal standard as to what counts as hate speech/bigoted actions and what doesn't). After all, while I am (for the most part) for freedom of speech, I also believe that using hate speech is abusing your freedom of speech (and if someone gets away when saying hateful/bigoted things without as least some sort of consequences, then they will become karma houdinis). So, while we shouldn't throw someone in jail for saying hateful/bigoted things, there should at least be some sort of social pressure to fire them for their jobs or keep bigots from entering certain professions like teaching, the police force, and (most importantly) politics. Why? Because those professions give people too much power and bigots could (and do) abuse said power.
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Akage-chan wrote:

The problem with outlying hate speech is that anything can be defined as offensive. Maybe I'm offended by being called a woman. Or a man. How can you possibly communicate if everything can possibly be labeled as hate speech?

I seem to recall there was a South Park episode about this, where everyone in the town was so offended by aspects of the Christmas holiday that the kids were forced to perform so weird dirge for their holiday show in lieu of Christmas songs.


Exactly.

This is the problem with today. People have decided being personally offended is a crime and will go up in arms to solve it.

A banner mentioning god in in a public plase? TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE I'M OFFENDED! HOW DARE YOU SHOW ME SOMETHING I DON'T BELIEVE IN!

A commercial features black people and only includes a minor stereotype? REMOVE IT BECAUSE BLACKS WILL "PROBABLY" BE OFFENDED BY IT!!!!!



While there are times hate speech is rather blatant. Like say a KKK rally. But since feelings are subjective you can't draw a line on these matters.

But again the problem with people today is they are trying to draw that line and since no one can agree on where to draw it things constantly devolve into chaos where "Ironically" tons of people are offended no matter what choice is made.

In the effort to be "not offensive" more people are getting heavily offended instead of just a couple people being mildly displeased with something.
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Hate speech does exist, but it's been perverted and now anything that you don't like can be claimed as hate speech. There shouldn't be a law on it imo, that would be quite idiotic.
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Akage-chan wrote:

The problem with outlying hate speech is that anything can be defined as offensive. Maybe I'm offended by being called a woman. Or a man. How can you possibly communicate if everything can possibly be labeled as hate speech?

I seem to recall there was a South Park episode about this, where everyone in the town was so offended by aspects of the Christmas holiday that the kids were forced to perform so weird dirge for their holiday show in lieu of Christmas songs.


Actually its been established by the supreme court that hate speech is speech which also entails an action.

Example of not hate speech: Those N******S should go back to their watermelon patch.

Example of hate speech: Let's go downtown and hang some blackies!!!

Hate speech is speech which can double as a plan to cause harm or injury to the party.
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Akage-chan wrote:

The problem with outlying hate speech is that anything can be defined as offensive. Maybe I'm offended by being called a woman. Or a man. How can you possibly communicate if everything can possibly be labeled as hate speech?

I seem to recall there was a South Park episode about this, where everyone in the town was so offended by aspects of the Christmas holiday that the kids were forced to perform so weird dirge for their holiday show in lieu of Christmas songs.


Actually its been established by the supreme court that hate speech is speech which also entails an action.

Example of not hate speech: Those N******S should go back to their watermelon patch.

Example of hate speech: Let's go downtown and hang some blackies!!!

Hate speech is speech which can double as a plan to cause harm or injury to the party.


That is true. But again the issue is that the public doesn't see that and has perverted hate speech into "Anything I don't want to hear or see".

While this argument doesn't exactly hold up in court it's enough to get people into a frenzy and then public pressure can cause things to be banned or changed in response to said pressure.

So the issue isn't with the legal definition of hate speech but the public definition.
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Sadly. But there is nothing we can do.
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Metazoxan wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


Akage-chan wrote:

The problem with outlying hate speech is that anything can be defined as offensive. Maybe I'm offended by being called a woman. Or a man. How can you possibly communicate if everything can possibly be labeled as hate speech?

I seem to recall there was a South Park episode about this, where everyone in the town was so offended by aspects of the Christmas holiday that the kids were forced to perform so weird dirge for their holiday show in lieu of Christmas songs.


Actually its been established by the supreme court that hate speech is speech which also entails an action.

Example of not hate speech: Those N******S should go back to their watermelon patch.

Example of hate speech: Let's go downtown and hang some blackies!!!

Hate speech is speech which can double as a plan to cause harm or injury to the party.


That is true. But again the issue is that the public doesn't see that and has perverted hate speech into "Anything I don't want to hear or see".

While this argument doesn't exactly hold up in court it's enough to get people into a frenzy and then public pressure can cause things to be banned or changed in response to said pressure.

So the issue isn't with the legal definition of hate speech but the public definition.


True true. You can keep spreading the legal definition around and it both educates then destroys people trying to use it in the wrong way.
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Yes. It's called BLM. Oh wait. BLM supporters. Forgot that I have to note the "difference". Kek
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Rujikin wrote:

Actually its been established by the supreme court that hate speech is speech which also entails an action.

Example of not hate speech: Those N******S should go back to their watermelon patch.

Example of hate speech: Let's go downtown and hang some blackies!!!

Hate speech is speech which can double as a plan to cause harm or injury to the party.
Is this the Brandenburg v. Ohio you're talking about? I think that case was largely referring to threats aimed a certain groups of people (which would be a hate crime).
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Yes. It's called BLM. Oh wait. BLM supporters. Forgot that I have to note the "difference". Kek
You're right, as a fellow klan member I also think that the phrase black lives matter should be labeled as hate speech.
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the phrase black lives matter should be labeled as hate speech.

Thank you. At least someone here understands.
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