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Frankly, one look at his cabinet picks should be enough to quash any last desperate hopes he'll do anything good for America.
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Frankly, one look at his cabinet picks should be enough to quash any last desperate hopes he'll do anything good for America.


Maybe for you, I think his picks are fantastic for accomplishing what he promised in the campaign.
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Maybe for you, I think his picks are fantastic for accomplishing what he promised in the campaign.


Well, he's freely admitted going after Clinton was just BS to get him elected. He's most likely not going to build The Wall(tm) anymore. He's not going to round up Muslims, that too was just another election ploy. He's certainly not going to re-invigorate the rust belt and save the middle class having appointed not one but two Goldman Sachs CEO's to cabinet positions and offering corporate welfare in exchange for good PR.

So which major campaign promise is looking fantastic and specifically which cabinet pick is supposedly going to usher it in? About the only thing left on the table is starting some sort of trade war with China. Something that will help no one unless people like the idea of half the goods they buy doubling in price overnight.

You want to see the entire nation turn on Trump over a weekend? Raise the price of iPhones another few hundred dollars. -.-



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runec wrote:

Frankly, one look at his cabinet picks should be enough to quash any last desperate hopes he'll do anything good for America.



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Posted 12/12/16 , edited 12/12/16

runec wrote:


Xxanthar wrote:
Maybe for you, I think his picks are fantastic for accomplishing what he promised in the campaign.


Well, he's freely admitted going after Clinton was just BS to get him elected. He's most likely not going to build The Wall(tm) anymore. He's not going to round up Muslims, that too was just another election ploy. He's certainly not going to re-invigorate the rust belt and save the middle class having appointed not one but two Goldman Sachs CEO's to cabinet positions and offering corporate welfare in exchange for good PR.

So which major campaign promise is looking fantastic and specifically which cabinet pick is supposedly going to usher it in? About the only thing left on the table is starting some sort of trade war with China. Something that will help no one unless people like the idea of half the goods they buy doubling in price overnight.

You want to see the entire nation turn on Trump over a weekend? Raise the price of iPhones another few hundred dollars. -.-





That is all pretty much speculation, I'm going to wait until he is actually in office and wait until he actually starts doing stuff. Just because someone is a CEO does not mean they are automatically a douche bag like the left would have you believe.

Your 'corporate welfare' is tax relief in my book. The USA has some of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Carrier just got an advance on what's coming to many businesses in America, in the next 4 years. I'd much rather see corporations get 'welfare' than the millions of illegal aliens. After all, they provide Americans with employment. That's much better than watching all those jobs vanish along with all the tax money from the workers income and companies profits after they move to everything to Mexico.
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All I can say is that Trump is paying for my Russian lessons...
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All I can say is that Trump is paying for my Russian lessons...


At least you won't have to learn Arabic and Spanish now.
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Trump has become his own puppet, a modern reinterpretation of hammer symbolism as someone stuck on notion of self that is obsolete as an attempt to support the return of those ideals with no exceptions. This happens each change in eras, although this occurrence has further development than the last.
Someone gets stuck on having already told themselves the way things must be and starts working to do that in all the ways they know. Economical materialism is the modern platform of the devaluation of all of us that has been building and trump is the figure that will top us all off for the acceptance of this misery. Trump is the individual that has already begun to portray for all to see a modern version of what happens to any of us if we begin to repeat these tendencies. Like other individuals in our collective history that have done this, this type of pursuit of all one's goals/desires also tends to come with much violence. We are all in for a very educational destruction of the past and beginning of new ways.
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That is all pretty much speculation, I'm going to wait until he is actually in office and wait until he actually starts doing stuff. Just because someone is a CEO does not mean they are automatically a douche bag like the left would have you believe.


Riiight, but Hillary's secret speeches to Goldman Sachs and her supposed ties to big business were the height of corruption a couple months ago. My how your tune has changed. -.-

As for speculation:

Number 1: Persecuting Clinton.

This is a direct quote:


As Trump spoke at a rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan, as part of his post-election “Thank You Tour,” some supporters began chanting “lock her up” ― a common refrain during the Republican convention and Trump’s campaign events.

“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”


With video if you like: https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/807396312010194945


Number 2: The Wall(tm)


“They say you’ll never be able to build a wall,” Trump was quoted in March. “The Great Wall of China, built 2,000 years ago, is 13,000 miles, folks, and they didn’t have Caterpillar tractors… We can do that so beautifully. And this is going to be a serious wall. This is going to be a high wall.”


But now its totally fine if its partially just a fence.


Number 3: Muslims

Total shut down, Muslim registry, etc etc. A prominent feature of his campaign.

Now his campaign is denying he ever advocated for it in the first place.


Number 4: Corporate Welfare

The US has the third highest raw corporate tax rate in the world. But the effective corporate tax rate ( after all of the deductions, benefits, etc that corporations enjoy ) is barely above average and not even in the top three.

And that corporate welfare given to Carrier, Carrier is going to invest into more factory automation to reduce the jobs that were supposedly just saved in the first place. Nevermind that it is a *terrible* precedent to show corporations that you can get sweet tax cuts if you threaten to move out of the country.

This is also the complete opposite of Trump's original promise to *punish* companies that try to move jobs out of the country. Not reward them.


Number 5: CEOs are Dicks(tm)

The CEOs in question were part and parcel in the cause of the economic collapse that dealt such a major blow to the middle class to begin with. There are a number of Goldman Sachs bankers and CEOs involved with Trump's team now. Even Steve Bannon was formerly a Goldman Sachs banker.

Furthermore, Trump has campaigned on and attacked his opponents for any and all connections to Goldman Sachs. He continually attacked Hillary for her speeches to Goldman Sachs. He attacked Ted Cruz for his wife working at Goldman Sachs. He ran campaign ads specifically attacking the current CEO of Goldman Sachs and blaming him for the state of the economy.


"It's a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities."


Is a direct quote from a campaign ad referring to the CEO of Goldman Sachs.

So for Trump to be hiring them left and right, let alone for you to be defending it, is the absolute height of hypocrisy before you even get in to how obvious a ploy it is to make more sweet sweet money for the very top you guys were railing against a couple months ago.

So, I will ask you again: Which cabinet appointment has a "fantastic" chance of bringing about any of Trump's major campaign promises?














Posted 12/12/16 , edited 12/12/16

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Riiight, but Hillary's secret speeches to Goldman Sachs and her supposed ties to big business were the height of corruption a couple months ago. My how your tune has changed. -.-

As for speculation:

Number 1: Persecuting Clinton.

This is a direct quote:


As Trump spoke at a rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan, as part of his post-election “Thank You Tour,” some supporters began chanting “lock her up” ― a common refrain during the Republican convention and Trump’s campaign events.

“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”



Trump said he would not pursue the 30k missing emails. He didn't say anything about the 2 or 3 ongoing investigations into the Clinton foundation. If the FBI finds wrong doing and pursues prosecution, Sessions will be all over that.





Number 2: The Wall(tm)

"They say you’ll never be able to build a wall,” Trump was quoted in March. “The Great Wall of China, built 2,000 years ago, is 13,000 miles, folks, and they didn’t have Caterpillar tractors… We can do that so beautifully. And this is going to be a serious wall. This is going to be a high wall.”

But now its totally fine if its partially just a fence.


If you know anything about construction you would know that it's impossible to build a wall in some places without major costs involved.. layers of fencing that are monitored by cameras are just fine. As long as it keeps the leeches from pouring in unrestricted like they are now that's perfectly ok. If I was president I'd lay down a mile wide minefield along the entire boarder with mexico Maybe half a mile wide for the Canadian border.



Number 3: Muslims

Total shut down, Muslim registry, etc etc. A prominent feature of his campaign.

Now his campaign is denying he ever advocated for it in the first place.



He said he was going to stop accepting muslim refugees from entering until they could be properly vetted. I didn't hear him mention a registry. Again, ANYTHING is better than letting in millions of muslim refugees and planting them around the country like little terrorist flowers like Hillary wanted to do.



Number 4: Corporate Welfare

The US has the third highest raw corporate tax rate in the world. But the effective corporate tax rate ( after all of the deductions, benefits, etc that corporations enjoy ) is barely above average and not even in the top three.

And that corporate welfare given to Carrier, Carrier is going to invest into more factory automation to reduce the jobs that were supposedly just saved in the first place. Nevermind that it is a *terrible* precedent to show corporations that you can get sweet tax cuts if you threaten to move out of the country.

This is also the complete opposite of Trump's original promise to *punish* companies that try to move jobs out of the country. Not reward them.


The only major corporations that pay almost nothing in taxes are all liberal run cesspools like Google, Facebook, and General Electric. I think trump will be closing those loopholes and coming up with a partial flat tax for big corps. Yet again, getting companies that pay nothing and cutting taxes for the middle class and companies that hire tons of Americans is better than the system of tax rape Obama had. Trump is not the president and can't bring the power of the US Government to bear on companies that hide money offshore or relocate to other countries yet Again at least he is not saying those jobs (and tax revenue) are gone forever like Obama did.




Number 5: CEOs are Dicks(tm)

The CEOs in question were part and parcel in the cause of the economic collapse that dealt such a major blow to the middle class to begin with. There are a number of Goldman Sachs bankers and CEOs involved with Trump's team now. Even Steve Bannon was formerly a Goldman Sachs banker.

Furthermore, Trump has campaigned on and attacked his opponents for any and all connections to Goldman Sachs. He continually attacked Hillary for her speeches to Goldman Sachs. He attacked Ted Cruz for his wife working at Goldman Sachs. He ran campaign ads specifically attacking the current CEO of Goldman Sachs and blaming him for the state of the economy.


"It's a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities."


Is a direct quote from a campaign ad referring to the CEO of Goldman Sachs.

So for Trump to be hiring them left and right, let alone for you to be defending it, is the absolute height of hypocrisy before you even get in to how obvious a ploy it is to make more sweet sweet money for the very top you guys were railing against a couple months ago.

So, I will ask you again: Which cabinet appointment has a "fantastic" chance of bringing about any of Trump's major campaign promises?


The economic collapse was caused by Democrats forcing banks (Fanny Mae & Freddie Mac and other) to grant mortgages to people who could not afford them. That led to foreclosures and the housing crash with screwed up the rest of the economy. I admit I haven't done any research into the CEO's that he picked but if they did anything illegal I'm sure they would be in jail instead of taking cabinet positions. I'll trust Trump picking these people because they can handle the job, Unlike the inept Obama's choices who have done nothing but keep interest rates at zero and print ungodly amounts of money. Trump didn't become successful by hiring idiots in his company. The man know how to pick people for their talent and not their ideology like Obama did. I have no doubt if the people Trump picks do not preform as expected they will get the boot. Obama rewarded failure.
Trump is not president yet, and fools are judging based on no evidence. lets talk about his picks after they actually have a chance to do something.

Besides, all this is meaningless for you, since you are not an American. I'd worry about your own country when Trump tries to even out the massive trade deficit with Canada.














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His not in office yet Runec what don't you get? I waiting to see what can be done about sanctuary cities.
Trump is driven i'm going wait and see what he can pull off. xD
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A few of my investments almost have doubled since Trump took office. I was happy if my investments doubled in 10 years, but five weeks??? I'm really looking forward to a Trump administration. I'm looking forward to seeing an America that is employed, doing business and successful. I hate giving my money to the Waltons who are ripping off its workers. I want to see more employment opportunities for those folks. I preffer small bussiness where I know the owners personally. I'm looking forward to an America that is open for business again.
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Trump will not be president. Obama will remain president and hopefully will be the last president of the US, like the fortune teller who predicted 9/11 and ISIS.
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Xxanthar wrote:
Trump said he would not pursue the 30k missing emails. He didn't say anything about the 2 or 3 ongoing investigations into the Clinton foundation. If the FBI finds wrong doing and pursues prosecution, Sessions will be all over that.


Ah yes, the Clinton Foundation. Accused of doing what Trump is literally doing right now. This moment. Quite obviously. Nice dodge.



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If you know anything about construction you would know that it's impossible to build a wall in some places without major costs involved.. layers of fencing that are monitored by cameras are just fine. As long as it keeps the leeches from pouring in unrestricted like they are now that's perfectly ok. If I was president I'd lay down a mile wide minefield along the entire boarder with mexico Maybe half a mile wide for the Canadian border.


Haha, oh fuck off. Thats what everyone was telling Trump for months when he was on about it. But now all of a sudden its a *pro* Trump talking point? That's some incredible mental gymnastics there.



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He said he was going to stop accepting muslim refugees from entering until they could be properly vetted. I didn't hear him mention a registry. Again, ANYTHING is better than letting in millions of muslim refugees and planting them around the country like little terrorist flowers like Hillary wanted to do.


"A total and complete shut down" would be the direct quote.

As for the registry:


NEWTON, Iowa — Donald Trump "would certainly implement" a database system tracking Muslims in the United States, the Republican front-runner told NBC News on Thursday night.

"I would certainly implement that. Absolutely," Trump said in Newton, Iowa, in between campaign town halls.

"There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases," he added. "We should have a lot of systems."

When asked whether Muslims would be legally obligated to sign into the database, Trump responded, "They have to be — they have to be."


And before you start, yes, he said this on video in front of a video camera to a reporter. So if you didn't hear it its because you either are sticking your head in the sand or have a rather selective memory.




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The only major corporations that pay almost nothing in taxes are all liberal run cesspools like Google, Facebook, and General Electric. I think trump will be closing those loopholes and coming up with a partial flat tax for big corps. Yet again, getting companies that pay nothing and cutting taxes for the middle class and companies that hire tons of Americans is better than the system of tax rape Obama had. Trump is not the president and can't bring the power of the US Government to bear on companies that hide money offshore or relocate to other countries yet Again at least he is not saying those jobs (and tax revenue) are gone forever like Obama did.


Even you can't be ignorant enough to believe it was the tech sector that crashed the economy instead of the financial sector. Let alone that tax loopholes are a liberal thing.





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The economic collapse was caused by Democrats forcing banks (Fanny Mae & Freddie Mac and other) to grant mortgages to people who could not afford them. That led to foreclosures and the housing crash with screwed up the rest of the economy. I admit I haven't done any research into the CEO's that he picked but if they did anything illegal I'm sure they would be in jail instead of taking cabinet positions.


You mean the policies that Bush not only continued but advocated and intensified? While also recognizing the danger of subprime mortgages? Which the House Financial Services Committee then in fact did pass a law to regulate Fanny May & Freddie Mac seeing the danger; But Bush scuttled it? Your argument is both demonstrably false and even if it were 100% true would only expose another complete failure on the Republican side.

Since that would mean Bush would have had 8 years to do something about it but sat on his ass and decided to let the economy burn.

As for CEO's going to jail for anything illegal: HAH.



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Besides, all this is meaningless for you, since you are not an American. I'd worry about your own country when Trump tries to even out the massive trade deficit with Canada.


I worry because the last time you let a bunch of rich shitheels piss on your face and convince you it was raining you crashed the global economy. Now you've assembled the wealthiest Presidential cabinet in the history of the country composed entirely of the very same shitheels you were angry at in the first place. Led by a man who is so obviously playing you for idiots to line his own pockets its absolutely surreal to watch you keep trying to defend it.


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I'm all for Trump building a moat (or a wide canyon as water is going for a premium) behind that wall. Gives all new meaning to the phrase "Sink or Swim".

Runec, the last time we had "rich shitheels" piss on us, it was during Obama's reign. I seem to recall the phrase "Too big to fail" as the reason why American taxpayer funds went to bailing them out. And Hillary was paid to give speeches to several of them, speeches which she didn't want to acknowledge.

You can say what you will about Obama, but I don't recall him being as proactive as Trump is when he had yet to be sworn into office. I kinda like a leader who looks to be ready on Day 1 instead of hoping the first month will be his honeymoon phase.
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