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Is there a harem anime where the main character isn't a fucking beta cuck loser?
I mean there's High School DxD, but that's all I can think of. In all these harems the dude is a little pussy who doesn't reach for what's given to him.
And as a guy, I just can't relate. If a girl wants to show me her tits, I would not run away. I would not hold back the choice to date a girl because "I don't wanna hurt the other girls feelings".
And I would be happy to be in the position. I mean, I don't see how anyone can have several beautiful girls begging to be with them and see it as a nuisance. I don't relate to these harem MC's at all...
Rosario X Vampire... Why is the dude such a bitch? Quit being a fucking white knight cuck faggot dude, stop it. You're poorly representing men
Ah! My Goddess... Who the fuck literally gets a goddess girlfriend out of nowhere and doesn't even fantasize about fucking her? Is this mutherfucker neutered?
And the dude from Shuffle! is a little bitch too.

And I'm not asking for them to be complete perverts like the guy from High School DxD, but why do they gotta cower when girls are trying to fucking hit on them, it's not fucking relateable.
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Have you seriously never heard of Ranma 1/2?

I mean.. no disrespect if you haven't but... it's kind of a big deal.
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I have, didn't think it was a harem
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"Ah! My Goddess... Who the fuck literally gets a goddess girlfriend out of nowhere and doesn't even fantasize about fucking her? Is this mutherfucker neutered? "

Uhm.... maybe because he has respect and isn't that kind of guy?

The dude from shuffle wasn't a pussy.

Backing away from the situation because a girl wants to show her boobs to you and you don't want to see it isn't called being a pussy it's called being normal.

If you think guys should be reaching out to the women given to them when they don't even like them should represent guys...well that's a disgusting view of men you have.


What you really want is a harem where the mc is a pervert and acts on desires over his own emotions this has nothing to do with a character being a pussy it has everything to do with decency.

Goodluck finding a harem like that because i doubt you will find one and girls don't usually go for guys like that irl or in anime for a reason hence why there isn't much any like that because people would find the main character annoying.


though i must say "I don't see how anyone can have several beautiful girls begging to be with them and see it as a nuisance."

You have obviously never been in that situation though because i can tell you it's annoying to have multiple women wanting to date you when you don't like them why date someone you don't like?

Also they cower because to the majority of watchers it is relatable.
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I have, didn't think it was a harem


Ranma 1/2 is absolutely a harem, it's widely accepted as the first harem manga/anime to be precise. The eponymous character is nothing like the harem leads of today, in fact he's much closer to a typical shonen hero, which isn't unfitting since there is kind of an emphasis on fighting in the show.
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How is being a total open perv keeping you from being a cuck? Issei isn't a non beta cuck. He's still a cuck.

I'm just gonna leave this little bit here as to why Issei and the series of DxD itself is not that great.


Issei being turned into a devil should mean he’ll require more than Rias’s nice ass sitting on him doing push ups that would make even people like Saitama chuckle considering he actually did as much as he could and didn’t look like some guy who’s just too damn lazy.

One moment he’s doing normal push ups, then he’s being chased by a dragon king for 2 weeks straight and somehow that’s enough to warrant more power for him to woe too easy to please women with, and then just doesn’t seem to train much after that.

It’s like someone dreaming about how happy they’d be, if all they had to do was do 10 push ups, and somehow reach Goku’s level of strength. Issei is the kind of person who has ONLY deus ex machina’s to save him. There’s no statement that he does some form of intense training regularly to keep up, and there’s clearly no form of level up to his training. You can’t just do 50 push ups, day in day out, and you’ll suddenly be able to go toe to toe with someone who did 50 in his youth, and upped it month after month till he could do 1000.

And the way he stays an ectomorph is pathetic even though he’s supposedly been through so much. The idea that you can stay just as pathetic looking and yet be strong enough to fuck up gods is one of the most cringiest fantasies I see most light novel battle harems go for.

It pains me to see, and yet because of these stories I come to respect older series like Dragon Ball more and more because the characters at least followed the basics of how to get stronger.

Train. Upgrade the training. Train. Upgrade more.= A sort of never ending growth. Thought sometimes they reach limits and need new ways to train that will be harder to meet. It’s like the results of a proper capitalist society. An economy of power in ones body meant to keep going by working harder and harder.

So Issei just comes off as uninspiring no matter what unless you’re a basement dwelling Otaku who just wants his perversion to be looked at as some kind of virtue that makes panties wet, rather than improving his character.

I would sooner die than think Issei could ever be considered a hard worker when I can look at Son Goku, or other martial arts anime, and see something so much more obtainable and something that gets better results.

By the end of the first arc of Super, Goku was blowing away half a universe and still hasn’t surpassed the gods. Always presenting foes that can easily kill him, and almost do, with Goku actually having to tap out a lot. Goku’s Kaioken is basically the mold behind Issei’s boosting, and Boost is a failure at that since it lacks the balance.

Kaioken is basically a power multiplier. By any fold you want. But it’s never been presented as something you can break past without potentially dying and goes out of it’s way to show that instead of relying on just passing out. Goku’s body contorts multiple times, and the use of it even checks him out of fights a lot. Out of all the times it was used, it only really ever won Goku a fight in a movie. All other times it was just a staler and never did much other than making the enemy weak enough that there’s a chance of victory. It’s never been the trump card that Issei’s boost basically is shown to be despite all the text in the novels stating he shouldn’t be able to just one up enemies with it. It has basically the same “if you can’t handle the power” limit as Kaioken.

And yet it’s totally free of rules at the authors discretion meant to just excuse Issei being able to look cool for girls who would realistically have left him for people similar to characters like Goku or Johnathan Joestar if they wanted a “manly man”. Being a perv while shouting like an ape isn't really all that cool.



Now in terms of harems, there's really no harem where the guy won't let the girls shit all over him at their leisure like he did something evil just for a simple action or accident. There's really no such harem protagonist where they are strong for good reasons, and have proper excuses to be attracting the most attractive of females from any standpoint. They all come off as male Feminist beta cucks who would let a woman walk all over them for offending them over opinions or something.

The only place you'll find a harem protagonist like that is in your mind and in fanfiction, and very rarely in fanfiction will you find one who makes any lick of sense. And even then, you have to know how to write a decent lead to think of one. If there ever is one, he sure as hell won't be a dumb teenager who hasn't even experienced a divorce let alone more than one to be able to know that women are not born worthy of your love and admiration. They still have to earn it. Otherwise, you're not a man if you give your feelings out to someone over a vagina pass.
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Wanna try School Days?
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Wanna try School Days?


This!
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Promethean wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

Wanna try School Days?


This!


Exactly.
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None of these are awesome anime, but in all of them the MC is less... circumspect... than your typical harem lead

Yosuga no Sora
The Testament of Sister New Devil
Kiss x Sis (he resists at first)
Trinity Seven

Also, if you are into manga:
Umi no Misaki
Honeymoon Salad
Nozoki Ana
Konokon (the anime makes the MC more reluctant, and also makes him look like a young child)
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Absolute Duo
Campione
Strike the Blood
Saekano
Bladedance of the Elementalors
Tsukihime
Photo Kano
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Ryulightorb Uhm.... maybe because he has respect and isn't that kind of guy?


What's not respectable about fucking a girl you're practically married too?


Ryulightorb The dude from shuffle wasn't a pussy.


Okay, you're right, I was too harsh


Ryulightorb Backing away from the situation because a girl wants to show her boobs to you and you don't want to see it isn't called being a pussy it's called being normal.


Why would you not wanna see them?


Ryulightorb If you think guys should be reaching out to the women given to them when they don't even like them should represent guys...well that's a disgusting view of men you have.


No worse than dragging girls along for an emotional rollercoaster while the dude drags his feet trying to choose between them.


Ryulightorb What you really want is a harem where the mc is a pervert and acts on desires over his own emotions this has nothing to do with a character being a pussy it has everything to do with decency.


No, just one who responds to a womans advances without seeming like a wimp. Plus, acting on desires is okay so long as you don't hurt anyone.


Ryulightorb Goodluck finding a harem like that because i doubt you will find one and girls don't usually go for guys like that irl or in anime for a reason hence why there isn't much any like that because people would find the main character annoying.


Yea, if harem protagonists were real, they'd be in the friendzone


Ryulightorb You have obviously never been in that situation though because i can tell you it's annoying to have multiple women wanting to date you when you don't like them why date someone you don't like?


If that were the case, fine... but take Rosario Vampire for example... That guy knew exactly which one he liked, yet he didn't do shit. He could have said, "I choose this girl", he clearly wanted to.


RyulightorbAlso they cower because to the majority of watchers it is relatable.
welcome to the minority friend :)


Really? I don't find it relatable. And to be honest, I'm not alone in saying "most harem guys are pussies". It's a pretty common complaint for the genre.

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While I certainly understand the fantasy of wanting a bunch of girls to fawn over me, of the shows I have watched that would qualify for the genre, very rarely do behaviors tend to make sense on both sides of the equation. Far as the shows go, I've probably call it the pervy equivalent to plot armor with girls not friend zoning, running away in absolute disgust, getting the guy kicked out of school, or whatever. From the male perspective, even as a teen, I wouldn't be all yippee about some random girl wanting to flash her tits. If it was one I was actually interested in, then the answer would probably be absolutely. On the other hand, if it was someone I knew I had nothing in common with and/or didn't really find appealing, I'd be fairly indifferent. Some of this is no doubt the direct result of growing up with 3 sisters and occasionally seeing people run around in just towels, their underwear, or whatever. There really wasn't an element of mystique for me since I'd seen things without lust attached.

And in knowing what I do of women now compared to back in the day, being thrust into a harem scenario without the safety of that plot armor would probably be the literal death of me. Jealousy is ugly. Backstabbing is real. I'd probably never have the time to really get to know everyone and find out if I'd actually like them and if they're not just trying to use me to some end. This is probably where things like Visual Novels succeed with picking a route/girl (even if not immediately obvious) and usually not having to juggle a herd of raging estrogen even if they may squabble with each other from time to time. On the other hand, American culture tends to be different enough for some of these scenarios to never even take root to begin with. Teen living alone in a conveniently giant house with a generous allowance sent in by relatives? Ha. Random festivals throughout the year to make girls go all noodley? As if. Emphasis on school clubs to promote socialization and development? Schools practically wanna lock the doors the moment the bell rings anymore, with football usually being the only sport that matters.

In the end, the genre tends to come with a bit too much absurdity. Rikudai Kishi No Cavalry/Chivalry of a Failed Knight is probably the most recent I've seen where the MC actually has some objectives that don't involve womanizing, where the girls who do wind up falling for him do so as a result of his actions and/or ethics. Sure, the introductory set up is fairly lulzy with the loser becoming the winner's slave trope, but he also doesn't wind up being an asshole about that. Then you get shows like Hundred or Masuo Gakuen where it gets kinda difficult to relate to the MC because his characterization is shallow, and the world around him doesn't help matters any.
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Ryulightorb Uhm.... maybe because he has respect and isn't that kind of guy?


What's not respectable about fucking a girl you're practically married too?


Ryulightorb The dude from shuffle wasn't a pussy.


Okay, you're right, I was too harsh


Ryulightorb Backing away from the situation because a girl wants to show her boobs to you and you don't want to see it isn't called being a pussy it's called being normal.


Why would you not wanna see them?


Ryulightorb If you think guys should be reaching out to the women given to them when they don't even like them should represent guys...well that's a disgusting view of men you have.


No worse than dragging girls along for an emotional rollercoaster while the dude drags his feet trying to choose between them.


Ryulightorb What you really want is a harem where the mc is a pervert and acts on desires over his own emotions this has nothing to do with a character being a pussy it has everything to do with decency.


No, just one who responds to a womans advances without seeming like a wimp. Plus, acting on desires is okay so long as you don't hurt anyone.


Ryulightorb Goodluck finding a harem like that because i doubt you will find one and girls don't usually go for guys like that irl or in anime for a reason hence why there isn't much any like that because people would find the main character annoying.


Yea, if harem protagonists were real, they'd be in the friendzone


Ryulightorb You have obviously never been in that situation though because i can tell you it's annoying to have multiple women wanting to date you when you don't like them why date someone you don't like?


If that were the case, fine... but take Rosario Vampire for example... That guy knew exactly which one he liked, yet he didn't do shit. He could have said, "I choose this girl", he clearly wanted to.


RyulightorbAlso they cower because to the majority of watchers it is relatable.
welcome to the minority friend :)


Really? I don't find it relatable. And to be honest, I'm not alone in saying "most harem guys are pussies". It's a pretty common complaint for the genre.





"Why would you not wanna see them?"
Because if im not interested in the girl i don't want to see her breasts its just creepy.

"Yea, if harem protagonists were real, they'd be in the friendzone"
Yeah but they want to be in the friendzone if you haven't noticed.

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If that were the case, fine... but take Rosario Vampire for example... That guy knew exactly which one he liked, yet he didn't do shit. He could have said, "I choose this girl", he clearly wanted to.
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He is a good example of being an idiot.


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Really? I don't find it relatable. And to be honest, I'm not alone in saying "most harem guys are pussies". It's a pretty common complaint for the genre.
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I have noticed alot more people not complain i find it relatable personally and i find the complaint is by a loud minority but i may be wrong!
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