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Posted 12/13/16

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It's called responsibility. Unless you are a window licking ward of the state you got bills to pay and food to buy. Nobody is ever guaranteed access to dream jobs and in the end one that is good enough is just that. Where you work does NOT define who you are or your happiness. It is just a means to and end until you can find something better.


It does define your happiness.
However it is just a means to and end till you find something better.

Posted 12/13/16
I think people are taking nanikore2's comment about learning what you're good at doing at face value, rather looking at the implications of the comment itself.

When you're working a standard retail or fast food job, you learn that you don't always get the best opportunities. However, even in a situation like that - you'll realize quick that if you're competing for a position that you're simply not great at doing, you'll be failing against your counterparts (a good example of this is my older brother - he works as an Assistant Manager at McDonald's and it took him almost 20 years to get that position because he isn't that great at the management side of operations).

Just because you want to do something doesn't mean that you'll be able to obtain it easily when it's one of your weakest skills. Yes, you can train that skill and eventually reach that goal, however, that eventually could be much longer than the time that it'd take to reach a similarly paying position that you're actually good at doing (and enjoy, to a degree).

Just because you find out what you're good at doesn't mean that you're only good at doing one thing. I've always been on the endless hunt of "What should I do next?" - I don't have any children (thankfully) and the only responsibilities I have are the day to day bills that can be paid with savings for several years. I've been to five different colleges in my lifetime but have two degrees (BSc in Computer Science, MSc in Mathematics). I've studied Nuclear Engineering (great at it, but life kicked me in the shins), Psychology (not so good at it, mostly because of I "connect the dots" in a mathematical/engineering method on an instinctive level), Computer Science (great at it, since I started coding on a Commodore 64 back in 1990), and Mathematics (awesome at it, since it seems to be something I do with ease).

As you can see, I tried things I was passionate about (I love studying/analyzing people and I'm good at it - just not great at it) and things that I'm good at doing. I'm currently using both of my degrees (sort of) as I'm using my mathematics knowledge to create elaborate encryptions that are proprietary (as the company I work for uses them explicitly as one of their selling points). I handle network infrastructure/design as well as coding these aspects or troubleshooting them when things are going awol for specific customers. It pays well, but I'm getting bored of it. I'm good at it but after an extended period of time doing the same thing, I crave something different.

This is when it goes back to the lack of responsibilities. I don't have other humans relying on me to keep them alive (children) and I can sustain myself without any work for a significant amount of time. However, something my grandfather told me back when I started working when I was 8 - never quit a job before having another one in the works.

Back to "Why do people work in jobs that they hate" - it's primarily due to responsibilities. When you have responsibilities like bills, children, pets, stay at home wives/girlfriends - you have to do whatever you can to make ends meet. No job is flawless. I've left jobs because of them manipulating my work to display incorrect data or because executives simply refuse to accept that they're doing things that will run the company to the ground (which, years later, they're no longer around). But do I leave a job because it's not something I overly enjoy? No. Or what about an annoying co-worker? Of course not, all jobs have annoying co-workers. If it's the actual job title I hate - well, you get used to it.

When you have responsibilities, "you gotta do what you gotta do".
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Posted 12/13/16 , edited 12/13/16
^Pretty much.
People who never did a trade or a tafe course, never went to university or college or did an apprenticeship and etc really are very limited in what they can actually do.
Yes you can get a job and be trained on site or at the work place but these days more than ever companies want people with experience or qulifications/skills. A piece of papper saying that you're quilified for the job.
Especially when you're no longer a young person just starting out.

I know that i personally do not have it in me to work and go to school/do a course/etc at the same time. Iam way to buggered after work and i need time for social life and hobbies.
And it's not so easy to just leave a job, like this guy said you should try and get a new job before you leave your current job and that is not always so easy.
It's not so bad if you get a job as a contractor where your job is just for a set period of time, like say a 6 month contract but getting an actual full time job takes time and if you leave a full time job you risk not being able to get that again, risk not being able to get long term employment and that job security. And you dont always want to have to move house all the time or have to travle long distance due to changing job all the time..

I think most people have to start off doing something that they dont like as a stepping stone, get experience and then move on to better things. Which i have done but that dose not mean that you will only move forwards, its very possible that after where i work shuts down that my next job will be worse than my current one.
Anything to pay the bills...

At the end of the day, i do not know how anyone could not be unhappy getting up at 5am to get ready for work. That is actually one of my main goals when i go for my next job, i care more about getting more sleep than how much i'll get paid lol It's my biggest cause of unhappiness..
I know i will be happier getting up later and usually if you work afternoons you get paid more.
I dont think i'd be happy working every weekend either but that may be something that i may have to face.

I think that no matter where you work, no matter how good it is at first, if you stay there too long you'll get bored and become unhappy there as far as lose the motivation that you once had and just run through the motions.
But alot of people stay due to bills and lack of ambition and fear of leaving and entering the unknown and the uncertain.
That's what i think anyway.
Posted 12/13/16
I am stressed out reading this.

But that's because I'm sort of in the same positions as Matthew. (Except I'm still not sure what I want to do with my life yet and just doing something that will get me by).
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starshots wrote:

I am stressed out reading this.

But that's because I'm sort of in the same positions as Matthew. (Except I'm still not sure what I want to do with my life yet and just doing something that will get me by).


Much like 95% of us are i think. I envy people who somehow just knew from a young age what they wanted to be. Almost as if it were their destiny.
I guess alot of us are indecisive or have self doubt or some are just lazy and lack ambiion, i think alot of dont care when we are young, we just want to have fun.
Being an adult can really suck at times. After working for over 18 years now, i find myself feeling like a kid again "i dont wanna go to bed" "i dont wanna go to work"
lol but of course i never want to be unemployed.
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Well for me, I grew up on and around a military base and eventually ended up with a civil service position working for it. Not the biggest fan of working for the government but it pays the bills.
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PAIN IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S REAL, IT MAKES ME FEEL ALIVE!!!


The edge i can feel it from here.
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Vahvi wrote:

Well for me, I grew up on and around a military base and eventually ended up with a civil service position working for it. Not the biggest fan of working for the government but it pays the bills.


Don't think of it as 'working for the government', think of it as stealing a military personnel's job for more money and benefits.
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Vahvi wrote:

Well for me, I grew up on and around a military base and eventually ended up with a civil service position working for it. Not the biggest fan of working for the government but it pays the bills.


Don't think of it as 'working for the government', think of it as stealing a military personnel's job for more money and benefits.


If they want it then they can have it or stay in and retire young as far as i'm concerned.
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Some people still don't know what they want. Life would be so easy if we can know in High school which one is the perfect job for us.

Some people have no choice but get whatever job they can because they have to eat. Not everyone is born with the same advantages.

Some people thought it was the perfect job for them but it wasn't etc etc


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Because they may not have other choices of employment and they need to work so they have money to fund the people who don't want to work's welfare and government assistance.

That's where over half my money goes already - the rest goes to me meeting rent payments and supporting what few hobbies I have. I work full time - it's not because I enjoy it - it's because I'm not content with lies that there is such a thing as neverending assistance.

I just know it takes labor to make that assistance - and I'd rather make my own way and be proud of it, even if I have to put up with endless bullshit as a result. It's an attempt at being happy in a world that provides very few chances at actually finding that perfect something you're looking for.
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Posted 12/13/16
The real question is why do we expect work to make us happy? Why is there this incredible faith that work will set us free?
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Posted 12/13/16

gornotck wrote:

The real question is why do we expect work to make us happy? Why is there this incredible faith that work will set us free?


That's one hell of a good question too, gets right to the heart of it.
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Posted 12/13/16
The lack of opportunities explains this. Real life is not like those comedy cartoons with overpowered characters where a person select a career based on their preference without constrain by the economic condition; only the property owners have this luxury. Real life is like ReLIFE episode 11 where the property owners use the authority of the invisible hand on a micro-level to punish anyone who do not do what they like.
The Capitalists initially state that economic anarchy allow freedom but later contradict themselves by claiming that economic anarchy do not produce freedom due to the dictatorship by the invisible hand on the macro-level. The invisible hand is a supernatural explanation for the economic condition in the Capitalist delusion where the importance of external condition is negated. If I can use fictional story analogy, Capitalism assume that all people are villains by default but the invisible hand will make sure that the people can only further their villain career by becoming anti-heroes.
The 'divine punish' by the environment on the whole human species have some basis in this lack of opportunities. The Capitalists never accept the fact that the environment had been providing basic necessity like food, medicine, clean water, clean air, wood, and other organic goods. When the environment can no longer sustain a human society due to environmental destruction, the Capitalists would believe that they are suffering from a supernatural punishment by the environment like that in the Rewrite visual novel.
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Posted 12/13/16
Thanks for the comments everyone.
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