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Do people somehow see the deaths of numerous civilians in war-torn countries as less shocking in comparison to something that happens in Western countries? Like when you read in the news that over 50 people, including women and children, became victims of an air strike from either Russia or the Syrian government, does it somehow disturb you or is it just part of the norm now? As much as I hate to admit it, I sometimes find myself thinking "It's fucked up there; it can't be helped" and I end up resorting to something similar to apathy. It's not that I don't feel sorry for them, it's just that in the back of my mind, I kind of just accepted that atrocities like this are part of the norm in certain places now.

On the other hand, videos and news of dog/cat slaughter from Asian countries still bother the hell out of me.
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Do people somehow see the deaths of numerous civilians in war-torn countries as less shocking in comparison to something that happens in Western countries? Like when you read in the news that over 50 people, including women and children, became victims of an air strike from either Russia or the Syrian government, does it somehow disturb you or is it just part of the norm now? As much as I hate to admit it, I sometimes find myself thinking "It's fucked up there; it can't be helped" and I end up resorting to something similar to apathy. It's not that I don't feel sorry for them, it's just that in the back of my mind, I kind of just accepted that atrocities like this are part of the norm in certain places now.

On the other hand, videos and news of dog/cat slaughter from Asian countries still bother the hell out of me.


Shit in the toilet nobody care. Poo poo on spaghetti no body forghetti.


Ditto on the dog eaters.
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The big problem with the western perception of Aleppo and Syria in general is just how long it's been allowed to fester while the rest of the wold does little but watch, or meddle around the edges while ceasefire after ceasefire fails. And in the meantime the rest of the world has been impacted due to the massive waves of refugees fleeing the country.

The slaughter that's been going in in Syria is atrocious, but the optics leave the question of just what can be done at this point and just how much is left to be saved?
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The big problem with the western perception of Aleppo and Syria in general is just how long it's been allowed to fester while the rest of the wold does little but watch, or meddle around the edges while ceasefire after ceasefire fails. And in the meantime the rest of the world has been impacted due to the massive waves of refugees fleeing the country.

The slaughter that's been going in in Syria is atrocious, but the optics leave the question of just what can be done at this point and just how much is left to be saved?


THIS - this is a problem im getting sick of watching. It makes me sick to my stomach. This is one reason I am rooting for the whole America - Russia alliance - because the only way this barbarism is going to stop is with a STRONG MILITARIZED UNITED FRONT - the rebels (IS) are already slaughtering and slaughtering and our current administration here in america has done NOTHING to even soften teh blow for these people. In fact, it's quite the opposite - our current administration has funded the rebels, and encouraged extremism and are now doing so in America via this election cycle. It's MADNESS. They're making their move worldwide now - and it's time to bring the hammer down and stop being liars and pussies. Get the lairs out, force them out of America - slaughter the right people, and then bring in aid for the people who SEVERELY and DESPERATELY need it in Syria. We may not like Assad, but that's because he was legitimately elected and he wasn't who we wanted in when we forced democracy on them. Get our TRAITORS OUT, and things will happen to benefit the entire world, that's my feeling.

Bringing more military force to the region sounds like a terrible idea- but what's going on now - there is no alternative and Russia has it right - the extremism needs to be quelled and it's going to cost civilian lives. That's fucking sad - but you know, when people give up reason there's no choice but to take them out. I want action - from my country - and from our REAL allies - to push these bastards to a place where they can't just hold entire cities hostage (and hide among the civvies)

I hope - to god - that Trump does something lucrative here - and something that's going to help make a major difference. There will be bloodshed - and we all know it - just remember it's happening anyway so don't immediately demonize one side or another for it - we know who it is - people doing public executions and upholding sharia law. I'm sick of it.

I hope Trump truly means to follow through with what he seems to want to do there... I guess we'll see.... There are unfortunately a lot of people left to be saved - but how to save them? They're being used as human shields and if let to do so - this will continue, more will get involved, and it's going to get so, so much worse and spread so much farther.

I'd give my opinion on where the insurgency is funded and coming from (saudi arabia and their friends) but I'll save that for another post. This slaughter has to be stopped, even if they use dirty tactics to get innocents killed - they're killing them by themselves. Enough, is what I say.
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People who harbor terrorists are just as guilty as the terrorists. I'll trust Allah to protect the innocent.
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THIS - this is a problem im getting sick of watching. It makes me sick to my stomach. This is one reason I am rooting for the whole America - Russia alliance - because the only way this barbarism is going to stop is with a STRONG MILITARIZED UNITED FRONT - the rebels (IS) are already slaughtering and slaughtering and our current administration here in america has done NOTHING to even soften teh blow for these people. In fact, it's quite the opposite - our current administration has funded the rebels, and encouraged extremism and are now doing so in America via this election cycle. It's MADNESS. They're making their move worldwide now - and it's time to bring the hammer down and stop being liars and pussies. Get the lairs out, force them out of America - slaughter the right people, and then bring in aid for the people who SEVERELY and DESPERATELY need it in Syria. We may not like Assad, but that's because he was legitimately elected and he wasn't who we wanted in when we forced democracy on them. Get our TRAITORS OUT, and things will happen to benefit the entire world, that's my feeling.

Bringing more military force to the region sounds like a terrible idea- but what's going on now - there is no alternative and Russia has it right - the extremism needs to be quelled and it's going to cost civilian lives. That's fucking sad - but you know, when people give up reason there's no choice but to take them out. I want action - from my country - and from our REAL allies - to push these bastards to a place where they can't just hold entire cities hostage (and hide among the civvies)

I hope - to god - that Trump does something lucrative here - and something that's going to help make a major difference. There will be bloodshed - and we all know it - just remember it's happening anyway so don't immediately demonize one side or another for it - we know who it is - people doing public executions and upholding sharia law. I'm sick of it.

I hope Trump truly means to follow through with what he seems to want to do there... I guess we'll see.... There are unfortunately a lot of people left to be saved - but how to save them? They're being used as human shields and if let to do so - this will continue, more will get involved, and it's going to get so, so much worse and spread so much farther.

I'd give my opinion on where the insurgency is funded and coming from (saudi arabia and their friends) but I'll save that for another post. This slaughter has to be stopped, even if they use dirty tactics to get innocents killed - they're killing them by themselves. Enough, is what I say.


Considering Russia is part of that slaughter in labeling all Syrian rebel factions Isis and propping up the regime who's more interested in bombing those rebels while civilians get caught in the crossfire, Russia hasn't been any more effective in bringing about a ceasefire than the US.
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Considering Russia is part of that slaughter in labeling all Syrian rebel factions Isis and propping up the regime who's more interested in bombing those rebels while civilians get caught in the crossfire, Russia hasn't been any more effective in bringing about a ceasefire than the US.


Do you not understand they're ALL PART OF THAT SLAUGHTER because the Islamic State group is making it so by using hostages - and human shields? That's why I say people need to stop pointing the finger - something HAS to be done - every last person involved is part of that slaughter - and only one side has the devious motive - the other side is upholding the legitimately elected ruler of said country. Their tactics have to be forceful - and the IS has brought it to such a point.

It has to be quelled, there is no other choice - unless of course you want civilians to all be publicly executed and nothing done about it. So what's your answer? Make no mistake, the IS is not interested in a fucking ceasefire - they're holding hostages and executing civvies. This isn't about a peaceful resolution for extremists - it's about a holy war and taking what they believe is rightfully theirs by force.

War is and never has been GOOD vs. BAD - lets get that straight before we continue this. This current situation? it's about stopping further tragedy - even if tragedy is part of that. You don't see Russia holding families hostage and executing them on mere suspicion - you don't see them using them as shields either.
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What is their government doing over there? is it like the Mexican government, corrupted and connected with the cartels? they're the ones killing their people. I don't know what can outsiders like USA and Russia do when their own people are the ones killing each other.
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What is their government doing over there? is it like the Mexican government, corrupted and connected with the cartels? they're the ones killing their people. I don't know what can outsiders like USA and Russia do when their own people are the ones killing each other.


They aren't killing their people with that intent, they're doing so because their country has been flooded with insurgency - intentionally - by people that want to see the country itself taken down. Nothing is black and white, it isn't just "they're killing their people" - some of their people are being used as shields, others are taking up extremism and causing violence (more like being forced to at gunpoint) - and it's all the fault of their near neighbors who would like to see them gone - those same neighbors supplying the rest of the world with weapons and funding for insurgency in all these other areas we are seeing it today.

One is fighting for stability - people will die - because the opposing force(s) will make sure of it - whether an attempt to demonize or they consider it an accomplishment in their fight - it doesn't really matter. It's a real war - and it needs to stop ASAP - and that takes drastic measures. IF one side gives up - guess what is going to happen? It's going to be worse - so if you expect that government to give up and you think that will make things better you're extremely misguided in that....

Giving in will lead to true genocide of the opposition - they aren't just going to forgive and forget their agenda going into this.

By the way - I'm not speaking of Mexico in the above statements, that's not something I'm going to talk about in this post, because it's a tangent that will grow super long.
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nerdtox wrote:

What is their government doing over there? is it like the Mexican government, corrupted and connected with the cartels? they're the ones killing their people. I don't know what can outsiders like USA and Russia do when their own people are the ones killing each other.


They aren't killing their people with that intent, they're doing so because their country has been flooded with insurgency - intentionally - by people that want to see the country itself taken down. Nothing is black and white, it isn't just "they're killing their people" - some of their people are being used as shields, others are taking up extremism and causing violence (more like being forced to at gunpoint) - and it's all the fault of their near neighbors who would like to see them gone - those same neighbors supplying the rest of the world with weapons and funding for insurgency in all these other areas we are seeing it today.

One is fighting for stability - people will die - because the opposing force(s) will make sure of it - whether an attempt to demonize or they consider it an accomplishment in their fight - it doesn't really matter. It's a real war - and it needs to stop ASAP - and that takes drastic measures. IF one side gives up - guess what is going to happen? It's going to be worse - so if you expect that government to give up and you think that will make things better you're extremely misguided in that....

Giving in will lead to true genocide of the opposition - they aren't just going to forgive and forget their agenda going into this.


The reason why I mentioned the mexican government is because they do nothing and obviously, that has been really bad for the mexican people so no, I don't expect things to get better if the syrian government gives up. I never said nothing about giving up, I just wonder if their government is doing something to protect these people or nothing at all.

Yes, there needs to be a real war, probably WWIII.

Thank you for all your insight, I admit I'm very ignorant to what's happening over there
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Do you not understand they're ALL PART OF THAT SLAUGHTER because the Islamic State group is making it so by using hostages - and human shields? That's why I say people need to stop pointing the finger - something HAS to be done - every last person involved is part of that slaughter - and only one side has the devious motive - the other side is upholding the legitimately elected ruler of said country. Their tactics have to be forceful - and the IS has brought it to such a point.

It has to be quelled, there is no other choice - unless of course you want civilians to all be publicly executed and nothing done about it. So what's your answer? Make no mistake, the IS is not interested in a fucking ceasefire - they're holding hostages and executing civvies. This isn't about a peaceful resolution for extremists - it's about a holy war and taking what they believe is rightfully theirs by force.

War is and never has been GOOD vs. BAD - lets get that straight before we continue this. This current situation? it's about stopping further tragedy - even if tragedy is part of that. You don't see Russia holding families hostage and executing them on mere suspicion - you don't see them using them as shields either.


I understand the slaughter in Aleppo and other cities like it have little to nothing directly to do with Isis, that international aide workers have regularly been caught in the crossfire between the various factions fighting in Syria, and the 'elected ruler' has had very little compunction in participating in that slaughter. Going in bombs blazing is a hell of a way of bringing about 'peace'.
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War is for killing. I always scratch my head in wonderment when people get all shocked to see people getting killed in a war.
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